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digital man wrote:
(in a way that makes the politicians look like they could actually find their arse with both hands)
As opposed to a mountain rescue team, six Humvees and four motorised search lights (which is what a lot of them need)?
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Dear President Obama, BP is a far too important company for the U.K. to afford to fail, due to the large number of British pensioners that rely on it for their income. It is, therefore, the intention of Her Majesty’s Government to provide financial support to ensure that this does not happen, since, at present, your administration appears determined to pillory BP into liquidation. Unfortunately, owing to the avariciousness and lack of integrity of U.S. bankers and mortgage providers, this will create a financial burden that this country, currently, cannot afford. I therefore must advise you that, starting tomorrow, British forces will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, to reduce unnecessary expenditure. The withdrawal should be complete within the next three weeks. Yours sincerely, David Cameron Prime Minister p.s. Have a nice day, and good luck with the next election. Anybody got a stamp?
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Dear President Obama, BP is a far too important company for the U.K. to afford to fail, due to the large number of British pensioners that rely on it for their income. It is, therefore, the intention of Her Majesty’s Government to provide financial support to ensure that this does not happen, since, at present, your administration appears determined to pillory BP into liquidation. Unfortunately, owing to the avariciousness and lack of integrity of U.S. bankers and mortgage providers, this will create a financial burden that this country, currently, cannot afford. I therefore must advise you that, starting tomorrow, British forces will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, to reduce unnecessary expenditure. The withdrawal should be complete within the next three weeks. Yours sincerely, David Cameron Prime Minister p.s. Have a nice day, and good luck with the next election. Anybody got a stamp?
Chris C-B wrote:
Anybody got a stamp?
Yup: on its way to you now.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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"Who is using the oil rig?" "well BP pay a US firm to drill and run the rig so day to day its not BP" "Who is supposed to make sure regulations are followed so spills don't happen?" "the US Govenment, the rig operators " "Who screwed up?" "Us - how about the safty device maker whose product failed all three backup systems, the rig operators, the Govenment inspectors" "Well, investigation's done, pay up." Yes BP is responsible as part owner of the well and admits that (more than the US partners have done) on one side we have BP being open and fair and on the other we have the US operator of the rig trying toget a court to limit thier fiscal liabilities to $27million (despite already get $400million+ paidout in insurance on the rig) its not that BP shouldnt pay its that they are getting the blame before it is known what exactly caused the spill, whilst the other companies involved are getting away scot free. a few points 1, BP had the same requipment fitted and had the same procedures in place regarding an incident of this type as did ALL the other Oil companies. 2, BP is a US based company (yes the HQ is in London but more BP employee's work in houston alone than work in the UK) and ownership is spilt fairely equally 40%Uk 39%US 3, the rig owners are responsible for 75% of all Gulf incidents eyt are regarded as the premiure deep water drillers 4, from prelimmary investigations (note thst tese are not yet complete) it would seem that BP have not done anything that is not regarded as SOP in gulf operations, even the alledged "short cuts" were accepted procedures withing the business (not saying its right just that its SOP) 5, compare this with Bhopal, BP have already paid out more in compensation than Union Carbine have and which would you say was the bigger diaster an oil spill and 11 lives or 15000 lives? I wouldnt like to be an american company abroad who has an accident, this has set a precident that is going to be well used against them (there is already talk of going back after the Exxon comapny for the Exxon valdez based on what is being done angaisnt BP (oh and piper alpha, the nigrian spill and a good few others where US companies used the law to avoid responsibility)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
You are laboring under some misconceptions. 1: I really don't care if BP is British, American, or Swahili. I do care that they are supposed to be making sure the people doing the drilling are doing it safely and the disaster "plans" of pretty much every oil company are a joke. Those procedures are obviously not good enough and all of them need to fix that. The US put down regulations, it is not the government's job to go around every day and check every rig to see to it that regulations are being followed. The Oil company and the rig company are supposed to follow those rules without a hen mother looking over their shoulder. OSHA has rules in place, inspectors come by once a year or so and check. The other 364 days we could ignore those rules, but should we? Is a company ignoring the rules somehow the government's fault? 2: I would welcome Exxon getting nailed to the wall over the many screw ups they have caused and somehow walked away from with little to no penalty so that they can continue to not care about safety. 3: The rig company needs to learn a financial lesson about risk taking and how screwing up the lives of thousands in order to cut corners is unacceptable. BP should pay money to make up for the lost income of people who lost their livlihood thanks to the oil spill. And a good chunk of that money should come out of the oil rig company's hide. I am more than willing to admit that other people need to pay. I never said they should be the only ones paying. The more people that get fined for this, the less likely someone will do something stupid even though the books say it is okay. When there are no consequences there is no incentive to think about other people. But to say BP is the subject of a shakedown when you have been given 130K by them to be in your position sort of tells me you are in a back pocket.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Who want to be judge jury and executioner? ragnaroknrol Who believes in unreasonable seizure? ragnaroknrol Who should we throw in jail for violating the constitution? ragnaroknrol Well, investigations done, go directly to jail. You may not like that it applies in this case, but unless you want me be the one who decides when due process doesn't apply, it applies all the time. And you don't want me to be the one, because due process will immediately be thrown out to put you in jail for un-American thought! :laugh: :laugh:
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Due process involves an investigation when guilt has not been admitted. They have a confession from BP as to the fault. It's been public and was not coerced. Want to tell me how that would go at a trial? Oh, there wouldn't need to be one since they haven't asked for one and have said they will pay the fines. The clean water act has some interesting fines for screwing up like this. The law is not considered unreasonable or unconstitutional. Companies that don't give a crap about you at all unless you are paying them money, pay lip service to the regulations that are supposed to keep them from damaging or ending the lives of a lot of folks, and continue to show record profit increases during recessions thanks to those first two and you act like I am the bad guy.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Dear President Obama, BP is a far too important company for the U.K. to afford to fail, due to the large number of British pensioners that rely on it for their income. It is, therefore, the intention of Her Majesty’s Government to provide financial support to ensure that this does not happen, since, at present, your administration appears determined to pillory BP into liquidation. Unfortunately, owing to the avariciousness and lack of integrity of U.S. bankers and mortgage providers, this will create a financial burden that this country, currently, cannot afford. I therefore must advise you that, starting tomorrow, British forces will be withdrawn from Afghanistan, to reduce unnecessary expenditure. The withdrawal should be complete within the next three weeks. Yours sincerely, David Cameron Prime Minister p.s. Have a nice day, and good luck with the next election. Anybody got a stamp?
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When you have a system where senators spend abotu a third of their time trying to get funds for the party business is going to control them.
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You know, I always thought the existence of the House of Lords was a significant advantage of the British parliamentary system, compared to the US system, for just that reason. And then you guys went and gutted it. :rolleyes: ;) :-D
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You know, I always thought the existence of the House of Lords was a significant advantage of the British parliamentary system, compared to the US system, for just that reason. And then you guys went and gutted it. :rolleyes: ;) :-D
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Yep, another power grab by Labour.
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Sit down, shut up, and pay your taxes. You anti-government wacko. All you do is complain about the government, when the problem is you.
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Sit down, shut up, and pay your taxes. You anti-government wacko. All you do is complain about the government, when the problem is you.
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Since when did you become pro-establishment?
Steve
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Since when did you become pro-establishment?
Steve
It was a joke. I giving her a taste of her own 'medicine'.
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It was a joke. I giving her a taste of her own 'medicine'.
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I don't think any of us consider you the problem, we just think you have problems. At worst you're a symptom of the real problem.
My problem is the corrupt government, and people like you who support it.
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My problem is the corrupt government, and people like you who support it.
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Distind wrote:
I support fixing the government, I don't assume I can dictate a better one.
I support liberty, property rights, and free-markets, Ron Paul style.
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Distind wrote:
I support fixing the government, I don't assume I can dictate a better one.
I support liberty, property rights, and free-markets, Ron Paul style.
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I support kittens and rainbows and world peace I just don't do anything perhaps I should act instead of posting dumb things and doing nothing
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I support kittens and rainbows and world peace I just don't do anything perhaps I should act instead of posting dumb things and doing nothing
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
I'm an infowarrior. Changing the way things are starts with informing others.
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I'm an infowarrior. Changing the way things are starts with informing others.
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Infowarrior? I think you need to go back to the academy. If anything, your posts on this forum have probably scared people away from your viewpoints, instead of convincing them to join you. It's a good thing you don't have a national audience, because people would probably be associating the entire Libertarian movement with the KKK by now, thanks to you.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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I'm an infowarrior. Changing the way things are starts with informing others.
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infowarrior HA! play at war, I hide safe place, computer
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Infowarrior? I think you need to go back to the academy. If anything, your posts on this forum have probably scared people away from your viewpoints, instead of convincing them to join you. It's a good thing you don't have a national audience, because people would probably be associating the entire Libertarian movement with the KKK by now, thanks to you.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
If anything, your posts on this forum have probably scared people away from your viewpoints, instead of convincing them to join you.
I don't flower things up or worry about offending people. If people don't like that then they can go fuck themselves.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
It's a good thing you don't have a national audience, because people would probably be associating the entire Libertarian movement with the KKK by now, thanks to you.
Race baiting is getting old, it has lost its effectiveness at scaring people back on to the reservation. I don't care if people think I am a racist, so go nigger off spic.
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infowarrior HA! play at war, I hide safe place, computer
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
Says the paperpusher who supports Obama and the people like him. Un-American trash you are.
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