Being stuck with Java
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: .NET would have sufficed for this particular problem. I see your frustration. In my case they use the old performance excuse: "it'll be much faster if the database (Oracle running on HP) is on the same box as the application server." That plus the "Java is a stable, proven technology, blah blah crap". Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The Java environment is bloated beyond repair, and the language itself makes me want to spew chunks through my nose. Before I started this project, I sort of liked Java. I had toyed with it. Now that I have used it professionally - to solve a real world problem mind you - I've realized the utter suckness of Java. Well, I have to say that I've grown fond of Java's simplicity. I like some of its unique features, such as inner classes. Having said that, I HATE Java's class library. Its chuck full of deprecated classes and methods that make it look like it was put together with little thought. Just working with dates, for example, is a real mess. You have the java.util.Date class, the java.sql.Date class, and last but not least, the java.util.Calendar class. I'm pretty much forced to use them all, and they all suck in different ways. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: .NET will most likely be as bloated as Java is, but at least it gives me the option to work with a sane language - C++. Yeah, another good thing about .NET is that Microsoft has had the benefit of learning about the mistakes in the Java class library. Still, I say they should have put generics in there from the start... Regards, Alvaro
I hope this is an original quote. - Alvaro Mendez
Alvaro Mendez wrote: Well, I have to say that I've grown fond of Java's simplicity. I like some of its unique features, such as inner classes. Well, I agree with you there. The language per se isn't all that bad. I'm just frustrated with the slowliness (VM) and Alvaro Mendez wrote: Having said that, I HATE Java's class library. that point. Alvaro Mendez wrote: You have the java.util.Date class, the java.sql.Date class, and last but not least, the java.util.Calendar class. No shit! That's just garbage! They've had 4 major releases. Screw the deprecated stuff! Kick it out! Programmers are relatively smart to change code. And who upgrades a language in the middle of a project anyway? Alvaro Mendez wrote: Still, I say they should have put generics in there from the start... Amen brother! -- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
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Megan Forbes wrote: To make things worse, the Uni supplied me with JBuilder 4 Borland would gladly supply you with JBuilder 7 as a download[^] or on a CD for 10USD[^] You'll need a beefy computer, though (take a look at the system requirements). And it won't make Java suck any less... -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
The beefy pc is no problem, I just got a new laptop :-D , a total beast, higher specs than some servers. However, they are adament that we should not use a higher version as the course tutor will be using 4 and needs to run and test our code. Russell Morris wrote: And it won't make Java suck any less Luckily I only have to do it till next April, then I can move onto the next subject. I think I will just get on with it, get it over with, and not cause any waves. My course results are too important to me to start making enemies of the people who will be marking my work.
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I like Java. :-D question
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Is a nightmare. I've writing a web application using java/j2ee for two whole months now, and I'll probably be doing it for four more months. This is going to kill me for sure! I've noticed a change in my temper. I've noticed that I don't want to do any programming for fun anymore. I've even stopped drinking coffee. If being in the zone is like being somewhere between the Sun and the Earth, then I'm at a place in space so far away that light hasn't reached it yet. Bill Gosling is a bloody terrorist. His invention, the java programming language and all the crap that comes with it, is an attempt to create a zombie programmer army. This army will then be used to take over the world. If [we, the programmers] don't stand up against this evil force, we'll never enjoy freedom again.
Resist!
-- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
I'm so sending this link on to my Programming Paradigms lecturer... No more Java in colelge for me.. Wohaaaa!!! Thanks Jörgen :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-D
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I'm so sending this link on to my Programming Paradigms lecturer... No more Java in colelge for me.. Wohaaaa!!! Thanks Jörgen :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-D
Spread the word brother, spread the word! Java is a dumbifying language and I doubt it's any good for new programmers. It's not multi-paradigm at all. It forces you OO down the throat. That's why I like C++ so much. I have the freedom to solve the problems encountered using a wide variety of techniques. Sure, C++ presents you a tougher world - touch that bad pointer and you're out. But that's a price I'm willing to pay for productivity. Hell, I'd rather use Pascal instead of Java. -- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
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to follow the trend You like Sheep.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea" - Martin Marvinski
David Wulff wrote: You like Sheep. You're just jealous you can't get one. I have been here a year and this is probably the best signature I've ever had.
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:-) It's no use, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated onto the only multi-platform technology of the kind out there. I've been at it for over a year now, and I have to say that it's not bad. My biggest gripe: lack of decent tools, especially for debugging. So if you run into something decent, please let me know. I'm waiting patiently for Microsoft to finally port everything onto every platform out there so I can convince my boss to switch to .NET. Regards, Alvaro
I hope this is an original quote. - Alvaro Mendez
I've been using it off and on for a few years, but only last year did I start to find it bearable. Usually becuase all the IDE's are bollocks - excelpt for this little beauty - http://www.jcreator.com/[^] Now I've not used J2EE, so don't know how happy this is with it, but it does what I think a Java IDE should do - help the programmer. Forte makes no sense - like standing on one leg with a rubber glove on your head saying 'I'm a wibble', along with JBuilder which is just as slow as Forte. As for Visual Age, I would rather take the bullet. But then I don't know any real Java devs, so what do they use to get the job done? Would be interested.
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Spread the word brother, spread the word! Java is a dumbifying language and I doubt it's any good for new programmers. It's not multi-paradigm at all. It forces you OO down the throat. That's why I like C++ so much. I have the freedom to solve the problems encountered using a wide variety of techniques. Sure, C++ presents you a tougher world - touch that bad pointer and you're out. But that's a price I'm willing to pay for productivity. Hell, I'd rather use Pascal instead of Java. -- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Spread the word brother, spread the word! Oh I will. I will :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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True. But then again, which is better: Pest or Cholera? You pick. ;) -- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
Oh dear, we have a VB guy amoungst us. Somebody has rated the above two posts 1. Who is it? Somebody is keeping a dark, dark secret. Chris should assemble room101.asp. ;) I have been here a year and this is probably the best signature I've ever had.
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Oh dear, we have a VB guy amoungst us. Somebody has rated the above two posts 1. Who is it? Somebody is keeping a dark, dark secret. Chris should assemble room101.asp. ;) I have been here a year and this is probably the best signature I've ever had.
Well, they can rate all they want. I'll keep on ranting. ;) -- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: .NET would have sufficed for this particular problem. I see your frustration. In my case they use the old performance excuse: "it'll be much faster if the database (Oracle running on HP) is on the same box as the application server." That plus the "Java is a stable, proven technology, blah blah crap". Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The Java environment is bloated beyond repair, and the language itself makes me want to spew chunks through my nose. Before I started this project, I sort of liked Java. I had toyed with it. Now that I have used it professionally - to solve a real world problem mind you - I've realized the utter suckness of Java. Well, I have to say that I've grown fond of Java's simplicity. I like some of its unique features, such as inner classes. Having said that, I HATE Java's class library. Its chuck full of deprecated classes and methods that make it look like it was put together with little thought. Just working with dates, for example, is a real mess. You have the java.util.Date class, the java.sql.Date class, and last but not least, the java.util.Calendar class. I'm pretty much forced to use them all, and they all suck in different ways. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: .NET will most likely be as bloated as Java is, but at least it gives me the option to work with a sane language - C++. Yeah, another good thing about .NET is that Microsoft has had the benefit of learning about the mistakes in the Java class library. Still, I say they should have put generics in there from the start... Regards, Alvaro
I hope this is an original quote. - Alvaro Mendez
Alvaro Mendez wrote: I like some of its unique features, such as inner classes What do you mean by inner-classes? Like this:
class myOuterClass
{
class myInnerClass
{
}
}'Cause if that's what you mean, .NET has that too. It is therefore, not unique...
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder
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I like Java. :-D question
Simon Walton wrote: I like Java Eeewww. Ed Atwell "Simplicity, the art of maximizing the amount of work not done, is essential..."
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: I like some of its unique features, such as inner classes What do you mean by inner-classes? Like this:
class myOuterClass
{
class myInnerClass
{
}
}'Cause if that's what you mean, .NET has that too. It is therefore, not unique...
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder
class myOuterClass
{
class myInnerClass
{
}
}Well, what makes inner classes unique is that myInnerClass must be created within the context of an instance of myOuterClass. Also, an instance of myInnerClass has a hidden reference to the instance of myOuterClass to which it corresponds, and also has access to all of its members, even the private ones. I believe in .NET's these classes work like C++'s ones, where myInnerClass is just a nested class of myOuterClass and the two are practially independent. In Java, this can be achieved by adding the static qualifier to myInnerClass's declaration. Regards, Alvaro
I hope this is an original quote. - Alvaro Mendez
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:-) It's no use, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated onto the only multi-platform technology of the kind out there. I've been at it for over a year now, and I have to say that it's not bad. My biggest gripe: lack of decent tools, especially for debugging. So if you run into something decent, please let me know. I'm waiting patiently for Microsoft to finally port everything onto every platform out there so I can convince my boss to switch to .NET. Regards, Alvaro
I hope this is an original quote. - Alvaro Mendez
I like the debugger in Kawa if that was what you were looking for. I just hate when I forget that it doesn't like debugging while rendering and the application explodes... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Is a nightmare. I've writing a web application using java/j2ee for two whole months now, and I'll probably be doing it for four more months. This is going to kill me for sure! I've noticed a change in my temper. I've noticed that I don't want to do any programming for fun anymore. I've even stopped drinking coffee. If being in the zone is like being somewhere between the Sun and the Earth, then I'm at a place in space so far away that light hasn't reached it yet. Bill Gosling is a bloody terrorist. His invention, the java programming language and all the crap that comes with it, is an attempt to create a zombie programmer army. This army will then be used to take over the world. If [we, the programmers] don't stand up against this evil force, we'll never enjoy freedom again.
Resist!
-- Master, I'm so glad to feel your presence. But you don't seem to share my impatience. I relied upon you to break the silence. I cannot understand your reluctance. Master, I feel so warm and I'm so happy, oh master. Give me some more of the warm little beasts I'm so fond of.
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But you've also developed an interest in classical music as well haven't you? Strange coincidence that. Wonder what it means? :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
I bet I would be an interesting case for Freud. ;) But I doubt my hate for Java correlates with my taste for classical music. But I suspect classical music helps me from being pushed over the edge (unless I put on some Wagner/Ride of the Valkyries or Grieg/Peer Gynt in the hall of the moutain king - classical equivalent of speed/trash metal? ;)). -- standing so tall, the ground behind no trespassers, on every floor a garden swing, and another door she makes it clear, that everything is hers A place of abode, not far from here, Ms. Van de Veer
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I bet I would be an interesting case for Freud. ;) But I doubt my hate for Java correlates with my taste for classical music. But I suspect classical music helps me from being pushed over the edge (unless I put on some Wagner/Ride of the Valkyries or Grieg/Peer Gynt in the hall of the moutain king - classical equivalent of speed/trash metal? ;)). -- standing so tall, the ground behind no trespassers, on every floor a garden swing, and another door she makes it clear, that everything is hers A place of abode, not far from here, Ms. Van de Veer
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: But I doubt my hate for Java correlates with my taste for classical music. No, but perhaps programming in Java has improved your taste for culture. Who knows? Perhaps next you'll be going to the Opera. Go back to C++ though, and you'll be back on the razz with your mates... ;) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."