I didn't realise Mexico could tell the US what to do...
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I thought thought the early settlers bought some with beads and the rest with polio blankets...
thrakazog wrote:
I thought thought the early settlers bought some with beads and the rest with polio blankets...
No. That was the East Coast!! We stole the Left Coast from the Spaniards and Mexicans. After they stole it from the Indians. :-D :-D
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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I am not arguing that you are wrong to be annoyed, I am arguing that your numbers are way overblown and you should know how funding works before using such numbers. Let's use your example and see how you show your numbers and how they would actually look. 1: Assuming both you and the illegal alien make 100K/yr. This assumes you pay income tax and they do not. This is a safe assumption. I can also give you a leg up and say payroll taxes are not being paid. 2: We will assume neither of you has any money left at the end of the year. 3: Education is pretty low in the grand scheme of things for federal funding. Something like 5% goes to schools. How do the numbers look? 1: You pay 35K in income taxes. 2: You pay property taxes on a place you can rent or buy. We will assume you spend roughly twice what the alien does due to being unable to use credit or something else to get a better place. They are still renting but at half your rate. 3: Anything not being spent on 1 or 2 is spent on goods. you are charged 7.75% as is he. You: Him: 35K income taxes= 1.75K $0 5K property taxes= 1K funding 2.5K property taxes(rent)= $500 funding 10K Payroll taxes = $500 $0 60K Local income tax at 4%= $2400 97.5K local income tax at 4% = 3900 $5650 $4400 If you two make the same amount, and spend all your money, the difference isn't that huge. I am assuming all your rent is property tax (which would be way off) and you spent all of it on goods that there is a tax on. This is an example of how I can make any set of numbers lie. This is why it is important to look at the reality of the situation. The reality is that the illegal is making a LOT less than 100K, and most of their money is going into the local economy. A significant portion of this is spent on things that aren't taxed at the same rate and they will not put in as much as you do. But it will not be the massively glaring difference you made. I worked for a school district. We had a large portion of transplants from a major city that were a "drain" on the system and some people wanted out. American citizens that were too poor for the tastes of some folks so they wanted them pushed into specific schools so those schools could have all the "problem kids" and the local kids could then get a better education. They said stuff like this about taxes
ragnaroknrol wrote:
You: Him: 35K income taxes= 1.75K $0 5K property taxes= 1K funding 2.5K property taxes(rent)= $500 funding 10K Payroll taxes = $500 $0 60K Local income tax at 4%= $2400 97.5K local income tax at 4% = 3900 $5650 $4400
- why do you think they pay local income tax? Do you mean sales tax? 2) how does $35k = $1.75k on income tax? 3) I see it as 40.65 vs 4.4, only 11%
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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I am not arguing that you are wrong to be annoyed, I am arguing that your numbers are way overblown and you should know how funding works before using such numbers. Let's use your example and see how you show your numbers and how they would actually look. 1: Assuming both you and the illegal alien make 100K/yr. This assumes you pay income tax and they do not. This is a safe assumption. I can also give you a leg up and say payroll taxes are not being paid. 2: We will assume neither of you has any money left at the end of the year. 3: Education is pretty low in the grand scheme of things for federal funding. Something like 5% goes to schools. How do the numbers look? 1: You pay 35K in income taxes. 2: You pay property taxes on a place you can rent or buy. We will assume you spend roughly twice what the alien does due to being unable to use credit or something else to get a better place. They are still renting but at half your rate. 3: Anything not being spent on 1 or 2 is spent on goods. you are charged 7.75% as is he. You: Him: 35K income taxes= 1.75K $0 5K property taxes= 1K funding 2.5K property taxes(rent)= $500 funding 10K Payroll taxes = $500 $0 60K Local income tax at 4%= $2400 97.5K local income tax at 4% = 3900 $5650 $4400 If you two make the same amount, and spend all your money, the difference isn't that huge. I am assuming all your rent is property tax (which would be way off) and you spent all of it on goods that there is a tax on. This is an example of how I can make any set of numbers lie. This is why it is important to look at the reality of the situation. The reality is that the illegal is making a LOT less than 100K, and most of their money is going into the local economy. A significant portion of this is spent on things that aren't taxed at the same rate and they will not put in as much as you do. But it will not be the massively glaring difference you made. I worked for a school district. We had a large portion of transplants from a major city that were a "drain" on the system and some people wanted out. American citizens that were too poor for the tastes of some folks so they wanted them pushed into specific schools so those schools could have all the "problem kids" and the local kids could then get a better education. They said stuff like this about taxes
Thank you, I'm not trying to enter into an argument neither, but I hope I'm explaining myself. Yes, they make less than I make and still they're not paying their share but demand for the whole benefits, even if they had the chance to avoid paying the sales tax, trust me, they would be not paying it. I can't find a way to support them, even though I'm mexican, they're doing things wrong, they're abusing of a system that has been very noble to them, and now they're demanding more and more. It's stupid to see the mexican government getting involved in this, when the mexican law says that anyone in the country illegaly is subject to 3 years in prison and a fine of xxxxx dollars, it's shameful to see the mexican government trying to teach the US how to treat immigrants, when down there the immigration officers kill central or south americans, when gangs rape women and the crime never gets solved by the authorities, I know the government is supposed to take care of its citizens, but in this case, the government needs to be away, they have worst things to fix there than here.
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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You, AS ALWAYS, have no idea and just opening your mouth to say something... just go back to your basement, and before you say it, yes I have kissed and rubbed Che's poster, have you done the same with Ron's Paul poster??
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
Gonzoox wrote:
yes I have kissed and rubbed Che's poster
That's gross. On so many levels.
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