Some ammusing historical comments about our climate from newspapers and scientists over the last century or so:
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radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone ... thrown off its icy mantle and opened its waters to navigation ... total failure of the ice crop ...another world ice-epoch is due... new ice age ...deeper snows ...mysterious warming of the climate ...Sea mammals, vanishing ... warming of climate ...unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder...plunging us toward another Ice Age...North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two... animal life in the sea will be extinct...Civilization will end within 15 or 30 ... a new Ice Age will be born...Arctic climate is becoming more frigid... trigger an ice age...“It's already getting colder... no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years...dust-dry farmland and disease...raise average annual temperatures ... horrific drought...Himalayan glaciers could vanish... warmest year on record ...Arctic warming [^] So, I think I see a pattern here: The climate changes, sometimes getting warmer, and sometimes getting colder. However there are always alarmists scientists spreading scare stories about death and destruction, and there are always newspapers prepared to print those stoires, regardless of the direction of the change. Notice the '30 year cooling trend'. And the 'civilisation ending in 15 to 30 years'? It is all so familiar...
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Simon_Whale wrote:
I've seen many different programs, news broadcasts and newpapers on this subject since I was a little lad
You've been propagandized to support a carbon tax and strict controls over every aspect of your life.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You've been propagandized to support a carbon tax and strict controls over every aspect of your life.
that is possible, but generally I process information from many sources and make the best decisions for me and my family
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I take it you've read the article or did you skim it?
The Japanese government has launched a campaign encouraging people to go to bed and get up extra early in order to reduce household carbon dioxide emissions.
encourage and being told are completely different.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You've been propagandized to support a carbon tax and strict controls over every aspect of your life.
that is possible, but generally I process information from many sources and make the best decisions for me and my family
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Generally, but a life-time of thinking carbon dioxide (which animals exhale and plants inhale) is a toxic gas that is destroying the planet has had to have effected you negatively.
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I take it you've read the article or did you skim it?
The Japanese government has launched a campaign encouraging people to go to bed and get up extra early in order to reduce household carbon dioxide emissions.
encourage and being told are completely different.
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Do you support the government telling (or encouraging as you like to refer to it) people to go to bed early to reduce their carbon emissions?
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fat_boy wrote:
...Arctic warming
I've seen many different programs, news broadcasts and newpapers on this subject since I was a little lad
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Simon_Whale wrote:
I've seen many different programs, news broadcasts and newpapers on this subject since I was a little lad
Its the '30 year cycle' thing, which (either real or not) scientists seem to like applying. Therefore unless you are old enough you wont have heard of all the cooling stories in the 70s that preceded the current trend of warming scare stories. I am, and I did, as did quite a few others here.
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Do you support the government telling (or encouraging as you like to refer to it) people to go to bed early to reduce their carbon emissions?
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So taking your interpritation of that article then If I encourage you to stop posting here for your own self esteem. Am I a. Telling you its better for your health b. Or advising you that if you stop you will regain your self esteem?
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Simon_Whale wrote:
I've seen many different programs, news broadcasts and newpapers on this subject since I was a little lad
Its the '30 year cycle' thing, which (either real or not) scientists seem to like applying. Therefore unless you are old enough you wont have heard of all the cooling stories in the 70s that preceded the current trend of warming scare stories. I am, and I did, as did quite a few others here.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Im not old enough to know of the colding stories but the most vivid story of the global warming crisis is from the carbon gas's emmited from the fridge freezers in the 80's
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Generally, but a life-time of thinking carbon dioxide (which animals exhale and plants inhale) is a toxic gas that is destroying the planet has had to have effected you negatively.
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water if inhaled can kill yet it is a neccessity for life, if you were submerged in it would you be happy? or dead? just because of fact A is true does not stop fact B from being true and to think it does shows a lack of logical thinking. carbon dioxide may or maynot be a factor in climate change (and history says it does - although not manmade) but as it is caused (least the bit we can effect) by wastefull processes, then surely reducing these emmisions cannot be a bad thing?
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So taking your interpritation of that article then If I encourage you to stop posting here for your own self esteem. Am I a. Telling you its better for your health b. Or advising you that if you stop you will regain your self esteem?
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What do you think about governments telling people to reduce their carbon emissions by going to bed early?
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water if inhaled can kill yet it is a neccessity for life, if you were submerged in it would you be happy? or dead? just because of fact A is true does not stop fact B from being true and to think it does shows a lack of logical thinking. carbon dioxide may or maynot be a factor in climate change (and history says it does - although not manmade) but as it is caused (least the bit we can effect) by wastefull processes, then surely reducing these emmisions cannot be a bad thing?
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Alex hogarth wrote:
then surely reducing these emmisions cannot be a bad thing?
It is bad economically and societially. Good for governments though because they get more control. Good for special interest in government because they get billions of dollars.
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water if inhaled can kill yet it is a neccessity for life, if you were submerged in it would you be happy? or dead? just because of fact A is true does not stop fact B from being true and to think it does shows a lack of logical thinking. carbon dioxide may or maynot be a factor in climate change (and history says it does - although not manmade) but as it is caused (least the bit we can effect) by wastefull processes, then surely reducing these emmisions cannot be a bad thing?
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Agreed. Reducing emissions earlier would've stopped certain events such as 4000 people dying in London in 1952 (although unofficial figures estiamte at around 12k) due to the heavy levels of smog caused by horrendous air pollution. Clean air act passes: "holy crap these buildings aren't actually black" people exclaim as they venture outside and give the walls a clean. I think there's been a couple of similar incidents around the world. So even if reducing wasteful emissions do or don't affect climate change, local are environment would definately improve. A fart in an enclosed space is worse than in a field for example. :-D
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What do you think about governments telling people to reduce their carbon emissions by going to bed early?
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Again you need to stop thinking that governments are TELLING as the article show and states that they are starting a campaign to ENCOURAGE governments tell you do something by passing laws governments encourage you by starting campaigns. and to answer your question, I think going to bed has many benefits other than carbon reduction benifits.
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Again you need to stop thinking that governments are TELLING as the article show and states that they are starting a campaign to ENCOURAGE governments tell you do something by passing laws governments encourage you by starting campaigns. and to answer your question, I think going to bed has many benefits other than carbon reduction benifits.
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Again, what do you think about governments "encouraging" people to go to bed early to reduce carbon emissions.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
then surely reducing these emmisions cannot be a bad thing?
It is bad economically and societially. Good for governments though because they get more control. Good for special interest in government because they get billions of dollars.
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They will always evolve the means of gathering taxes
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Agreed. Reducing emissions earlier would've stopped certain events such as 4000 people dying in London in 1952 (although unofficial figures estiamte at around 12k) due to the heavy levels of smog caused by horrendous air pollution. Clean air act passes: "holy crap these buildings aren't actually black" people exclaim as they venture outside and give the walls a clean. I think there's been a couple of similar incidents around the world. So even if reducing wasteful emissions do or don't affect climate change, local are environment would definately improve. A fart in an enclosed space is worse than in a field for example. :-D
Smog is not carbon dioxide.
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Again, what do you think about governments "encouraging" people to go to bed early to reduce carbon emissions.
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again I think the benifits of going to bed have more postive effects than just reducing carbon emissions with proper amount of sleep you are more alert and the level of accidents are reduced, concentration levels are higher so taking all of those into consideration going to bed early has its benifits! just incase you misread what i have said if you take it alone on a per person basis the effects are low but with others benefits, you the person gain more. but if you take a country like Japan that are so technology dependant and have 50% of them doing this then hell yeah you would see a reduction in emmissions and a great benefit
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again I think the benifits of going to bed have more postive effects than just reducing carbon emissions with proper amount of sleep you are more alert and the level of accidents are reduced, concentration levels are higher so taking all of those into consideration going to bed early has its benifits! just incase you misread what i have said if you take it alone on a per person basis the effects are low but with others benefits, you the person gain more. but if you take a country like Japan that are so technology dependant and have 50% of them doing this then hell yeah you would see a reduction in emmissions and a great benefit
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That's not the issue. The issue is government telling people to go to bed early to
reduce carbon emissions
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Smog is not carbon dioxide.
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yes, that wasn't what I was indicating, I'm trying to indicate that even if the emission reduction plans don't do anything on a global scale, they do improve things on a local scale. Unless you like breathing through a car's exhaust pipe.
They don't improve things at all. Things are badly damaged economically, and societally by a reduction in carbon emissions. People starve, quality of life downgrades, and society collapses into hardcore feudalism. Governments benefit though because they get more power, and special interest inside government benefit because they get billions of dollars and get to live like Lords and Kings.
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