Some ammusing historical comments about our climate from newspapers and scientists over the last century or so:
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fat_boy wrote:
there are always newspapers prepared to print those stoires, regardless of the direction of the change.
And there are always people who sit there and crow about over any damn thing. This is why it's a damn good idea to actually look at what hole they're pulling something from, compare it with reality(as science always has assumptions and selections, you can't cover everything), and see if they're full of it. But that requires effort and a clue, which people either don't bother with or don't have. Of course, if people were actually interested in being informed, rather than having to be scared into picking up a newspaper or turning the news on things may be a tad different. But really, 'humanity might be kinda screwed in 100-200 years' vs 'Everyone dies in flood two days from now', which is the media going to pick up? Using what the media touts around to disprove global climate change is about as effective as using my site to disprove religion. All either proves is there are assholes, idiots and morons everywhere.
Distind wrote:
Using what the media touts around to disprove global climate change is about as effective as using my site to disprove religion. .
Even though these comments stemmed from scientists? Clearly there has always been scientific hysteria, and the press has always been ready to print it. Thats the point of my post. And while there might be some global warming caused by CO2, my post doesnt hope to disprove it, but to suggest that we be aware of past hysteria when we read todays scare stories.
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Seconded. Not reading the post because of that.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Seconded. Not reading the post because of that.
Same.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Generally, but a life-time of thinking carbon dioxide (which animals exhale and plants inhale) is a toxic gas that is destroying the planet has had to have effected you negatively.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
a life-time of thinking carbon dioxide (which animals exhale and plants inhale) is a toxic gas that is destroying the planet
Who referred to it as a toxic gas? Only the anti-AGW sheeple, bleating falsehoods such as "Obama's Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has just officially declared carbon dioxide (CO2) to be a poison". The EPA did not refer to it is a poison or a toxic gas[^]. It referred to Carbon Dioxide (CO2), Methane (CH4), Nitrous Oxide (N2O), Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), Perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and Sulphur Hexafluoride (SF6) as contributors to the greenhouse gas pollution [that] threatens public health and welfare. I have only seen Carbon Dioxide referred to as a poison in medical literature, and never in the context of Global Warming. BTW: Plants don't exhale or inhale.
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They don't improve things at all. Things are badly damaged economically, and societally by a reduction in carbon emissions. People starve, quality of life downgrades, and society collapses into hardcore feudalism. Governments benefit though because they get more power, and special interest inside government benefit because they get billions of dollars and get to live like Lords and Kings.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Things are badly damaged economically, and societally by a reduction in carbon emissions.
But carbon emissions will be reduced as the market forces us to move away from fossil fuels as our main energy source.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People starve, quality of life downgrades, and society collapses into hardcore feudalism.
Nah. That's just your lack of imagination.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Governments benefit though because they get more power, and special interest inside government benefit because they get billions of dollars and get to live like Lords and Kings.
They always have. They rely on inactivists, such as your good self. That is why one must have radicals to change things, conservatives (of the 'right' or 'left'), by their very nature, just don't cut it.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Japanese told to go to bed an hour early to cut carbon emissions
That is the Torygraph's headline. The only part of the article that you read, apparently. The article uses the words 'urged' and 'encouraged', rather than 'told'. The campaign recommends going to bed and getting up one hour earlier. If the Japanese government believes that the carbon emissions are deleterious to the climate, what's wrong with their campaign? If a Japanese family believes that the carbon emissions are deleterious to the climate, they might adopt the habit or not. It is up to them. So what? You have bigger things to worry about at home, the fact that your President has absolute, tyrannical, unconstrained, power over whether you live or die. Back under your bed with your num-num blanket, oh Info-Warrior.
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Horrible use of the Link there, a small link is prettier, and less annoying.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Why? It shows at least that all that I quoted came from the link. What would you prefer, quotes and small link? I really dont see how that makes any difference to the content and if its sufficient to put you off reading it then you are a twit.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Seconded. Not reading the post because of that.
Same.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Seconded. Not reading the post because of that.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Not reading the post because of that.
Yeah, sure. More like: "oh no, I dont want my faith in GW knocked so I will come up with any excuse not to read it" Go stick your head back in the sand, the entire episode will soon pass and you can go back to your comfort zone of assumed truths and mores.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Things are badly damaged economically, and societally by a reduction in carbon emissions.
But carbon emissions will be reduced as the market forces us to move away from fossil fuels as our main energy source.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People starve, quality of life downgrades, and society collapses into hardcore feudalism.
Nah. That's just your lack of imagination.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Governments benefit though because they get more power, and special interest inside government benefit because they get billions of dollars and get to live like Lords and Kings.
They always have. They rely on inactivists, such as your good self. That is why one must have radicals to change things, conservatives (of the 'right' or 'left'), by their very nature, just don't cut it.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
That is why one must have radicals to change things
Well, if you want radical action, that often ends up damaging the system more than helping it, then yes, that is a way of change. Far better is to not change it by being radical. Such as the abolition of slavery and the implementation of a national healthcare system in the UK. Radical acts, such as the English revoloution, caused such chaos with many of the effects of the revoloution being reversed. Radical = chaos = destruction and pain.
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Why? It shows at least that all that I quoted came from the link. What would you prefer, quotes and small link? I really dont see how that makes any difference to the content and if its sufficient to put you off reading it then you are a twit.
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I won't go because of the link. Full links like that make the poster look like a twat, even if there is a legitimate point to be made. It is the CSS way of doing things, don't go down that road.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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I won't go because of the link. Full links like that make the poster look like a twat, even if there is a legitimate point to be made. It is the CSS way of doing things, don't go down that road.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Full links like that make the poster look like a twat
Its not a full link, but I can see your prejudice blinds you to the truth. In fact it is a long article, from which I snipped various phrases relating to the changing climate. I dont even know if you read what I posted, even if you didnt read the link itself. If you did you will realise that infact my point is valid.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Not reading the post because of that.
Yeah, sure. More like: "oh no, I dont want my faith in GW knocked so I will come up with any excuse not to read it" Go stick your head back in the sand, the entire episode will soon pass and you can go back to your comfort zone of assumed truths and mores.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I've explained this before. I don't read posts that are huge links. I don't care who posts them. If you want to debate something, don't try to blind us.
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I've explained this before. I don't read posts that are huge links. I don't care who posts them. If you want to debate something, don't try to blind us.
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But if I hadnt highlighted all the contradictory statements made over the last 100 years the post wouldnt have made the point.
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But did the entire paragraph have to be one giant link? Hey, I have an idea... Let's go back to the 90s when every site was in bright yellow with blinking text and 32-point fonts! Seriously, trying to read a paragraph that keeps flashing underlines whenever I move my mouse is not worth the trouble, so I won't bother.
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But did the entire paragraph have to be one giant link? Hey, I have an idea... Let's go back to the 90s when every site was in bright yellow with blinking text and 32-point fonts! Seriously, trying to read a paragraph that keeps flashing underlines whenever I move my mouse is not worth the trouble, so I won't bother.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)OK, so read it now then: "radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone ... thrown off its icy mantle and opened its waters to navigation ... total failure of the ice crop ...another world ice-epoch is due... new ice age ...deeper snows ...mysterious warming of the climate ...Sea mammals, vanishing ... warming of climate ...unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder...plunging us toward another Ice Age...North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two... animal life in the sea will be extinct...Civilization will end within 15 or 30 ... a new Ice Age will be born...Arctic climate is becoming more frigid... trigger an ice age...“It's already getting colder... no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years...dust-dry farmland and disease...raise average annual temperatures ... horrific drought...Himalayan glaciers could vanish... warmest year on record ...Arctic warming" source: http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminole-County-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2010m3d2-Arctic-Ocean-is-warming-icebergs-growing-scarcer-reports-Washington-Post[^]
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OK, so read it now then: "radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone ... thrown off its icy mantle and opened its waters to navigation ... total failure of the ice crop ...another world ice-epoch is due... new ice age ...deeper snows ...mysterious warming of the climate ...Sea mammals, vanishing ... warming of climate ...unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder...plunging us toward another Ice Age...North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two... animal life in the sea will be extinct...Civilization will end within 15 or 30 ... a new Ice Age will be born...Arctic climate is becoming more frigid... trigger an ice age...“It's already getting colder... no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years...dust-dry farmland and disease...raise average annual temperatures ... horrific drought...Himalayan glaciers could vanish... warmest year on record ...Arctic warming" source: http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminole-County-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2010m3d2-Arctic-Ocean-is-warming-icebergs-growing-scarcer-reports-Washington-Post[^]
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Better. Of course, the article is pretty stupid. It should be titled "Scary quotations sell more papers." We all know the media exaggerates everything and takes quotes out of context. That happens on both sides of every issue. Let's take a hypothetical example... "My new super-cool research study suggests that a deadly virus capable of wiping out the entire human race is likely to appear in the next 10-15 years. Fortunately, recent advances in medical research have made us more than capable of dealing with such a threat." Now, which of the two preceding sentences is likely to get people more interested?
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Better. Of course, the article is pretty stupid. It should be titled "Scary quotations sell more papers." We all know the media exaggerates everything and takes quotes out of context. That happens on both sides of every issue. Let's take a hypothetical example... "My new super-cool research study suggests that a deadly virus capable of wiping out the entire human race is likely to appear in the next 10-15 years. Fortunately, recent advances in medical research have made us more than capable of dealing with such a threat." Now, which of the two preceding sentences is likely to get people more interested?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
We all know the media exaggerates everything and takes quotes out of context
Many of the statements I listed were just statements, and not hysterical. These were made by scientists. These statements contradict each other over time. Some of the statements are clearly hysterical, also made by scientists. They also contradict each other over time. Newspapers print these statements, they do not create them. Blaming newspapers for what scientists say is just plain stupid.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
We all know the media exaggerates everything and takes quotes out of context
Many of the statements I listed were just statements, and not hysterical. These were made by scientists. These statements contradict each other over time. Some of the statements are clearly hysterical, also made by scientists. They also contradict each other over time. Newspapers print these statements, they do not create them. Blaming newspapers for what scientists say is just plain stupid.
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- Are they statements made by scientists, or statements made by scientists and backed by actual research? Big difference. 2) Just because something is "true" today, doesn't mean it won't be proven wrong tomorrow. Science is constantly advancing. Right now, most scientists think we're on the brink of climate change. New evidence could emerge a year from now that confirms that or disproves it, and then scientists will adjust their opinions. Only a fool sticks with an obsolete view just because he doesn't want to contradict himself. 3) Newspapers pick and choose what they want to print. As I demonstrated in my prior post, it's VERY easy to completely change the meaning of a sentence by removing it from context. CSS's conspiracy sites do that all the time. Maybe those statements mean the same independent of the context, and maybe they don't.
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- Are they statements made by scientists, or statements made by scientists and backed by actual research? Big difference. 2) Just because something is "true" today, doesn't mean it won't be proven wrong tomorrow. Science is constantly advancing. Right now, most scientists think we're on the brink of climate change. New evidence could emerge a year from now that confirms that or disproves it, and then scientists will adjust their opinions. Only a fool sticks with an obsolete view just because he doesn't want to contradict himself. 3) Newspapers pick and choose what they want to print. As I demonstrated in my prior post, it's VERY easy to completely change the meaning of a sentence by removing it from context. CSS's conspiracy sites do that all the time. Maybe those statements mean the same independent of the context, and maybe they don't.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Are they statements made by scientists, or statements made by scientists and backed by actual research? Big difference.
You mean like the IPCC reports? Take a guess. Who knows how much of it is based on research and how much on opioion. After all, much of it comes from the WWF, and thats pure opinion.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Only a fool sticks with an obsolete view just because he doesn't want to contradict himself.
And only a fool jumps up whenever someone cries wolf.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
it's VERY easy to completely change the meaning of a sentence by removing it from context
Yes, they certainly can. However you never hear the scientists complaining about being misquoted and suing the papers do you.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Are they statements made by scientists, or statements made by scientists and backed by actual research? Big difference.
You mean like the IPCC reports? Take a guess. Who knows how much of it is based on research and how much on opioion. After all, much of it comes from the WWF, and thats pure opinion.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Only a fool sticks with an obsolete view just because he doesn't want to contradict himself.
And only a fool jumps up whenever someone cries wolf.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
it's VERY easy to completely change the meaning of a sentence by removing it from context
Yes, they certainly can. However you never hear the scientists complaining about being misquoted and suing the papers do you.
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fat_boy wrote:
Take a guess. Who knows how much of it is based on research and how much on opioion. After all, much of it comes from the WWF, and thats pure opinion.
Exactly... So you're using opinions to illustrate how scientific theories change?
fat_boy wrote:
And only a fool jumps up whenever someone cries wolf.
Very true... You look at the evidence and make up your own mind. The problem comes when the evidence is too complex to understand directly, so you have to rely on the research done by others.
fat_boy wrote:
Yes, they certainly can. However you never hear the scientists complaining about being misquoted and suing the papers do you.
Hear about them? Where? In the papers? They can't sue the paper for taking their statements out of context, so long as the portion quoted is accurate. There's nothing illegal about that.
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