Life is a game
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harold aptroot wrote:
with only 1 outcome: death. You can not win this game, so you might as well give up.
If that is all that is bothering you, develop a belief in an afterlife, the nature of which depends on how you play this game. I am sure that CG can provide you with the necessary rules. :) 'Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays, And one by one back in the Closet lays. Edward Fitzgerald's transliteration of Omar Khayyam
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
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I'm not the one that thinks it's pointless to do so, so I'm not the one being a hypocrite.
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No, see, that's contrary to your assertion that you 'might as well give up'. If you'd meant this then you would've said 'might as well NOT give up'.
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No, see, that's contrary to your assertion that you 'might as well give up'. If you'd meant this then you would've said 'might as well NOT give up'.
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It's not contrary - there is no difference in outcome between giving up and not giving up.
Giving up on life amounts to suicide. By getting out of bed, eating, posting here, you're implicitly stating that you believe that living and doing things is more desirable than not doing so.
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harold aptroot wrote:
with only 1 outcome: death. You can not win this game, so you might as well give up.
If that is all that is bothering you, develop a belief in an afterlife, the nature of which depends on how you play this game. I am sure that CG can provide you with the necessary rules. :) 'Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays, And one by one back in the Closet lays. Edward Fitzgerald's transliteration of Omar Khayyam
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
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Marijuana doesn't make you do things like anymore than a coffee does.
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Giving up on life amounts to suicide. By getting out of bed, eating, posting here, you're implicitly stating that you believe that living and doing things is more desirable than not doing so.
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That would make sense, except that I'm being forced to do all those things - except posting here, I just did that because I have nothing better to do.
It's your life, you don't have to do anything.
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It's your life, you don't have to do anything.
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I have parents. Eating is easier than actively refusing to eat. I do that sometimes when I want to punish them, it's quite effective actually.
You're a dick.
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You're a dick.
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Congratulations.
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Believing in an afterlife because you want it to exist is just wishful thinking and doesn't make it true.
harold aptroot wrote:
Believing in an afterlife because you want it to exist is just wishful thinking and doesn't make it true.
You say that because you don't believe in an afterlife. Once you believe in an afterlife, you will see how false that statement is. :) Best to discuss this with CG, I expect oblivion at the end of my journey (I don't see life as a game).
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
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Not more than usual. I found out about the futility of everything when I was about 4 or 5. It's a good thing really because I know I don't have to try - I can be as lazy as I want to.
harold aptroot wrote:
It's a good thing really because I know I don't have to try - I can be as lazy as I want to.
No, what you did do is come up with an excuse to not accomplish anything. In your eyes you can now justifiably sit on your butt, become a looser and still in the end 'win' NOT because you accomplished anythign notable, but because you think you figured out the 'mystery'. You want to impress me Harold? Get up every morning at 6am and look at your self in the mirror. I mean REALLY look at your self, and then get ready to go to a job that pays your bills so that the rest of (apparently stupid folk) in society don't end up having too. Keep deciding that even though you are going to die someday, getting up and PARTICIPATING in life rather than just EXISTING is worth it. In other words Harold. Grow up. Piss moan and groan all you want, but do it on your own time and leave the rest of society out of it. If you have it 'all figured out' then why are you here? Just to extol your 'wisdom' on the rest of us? My bet is that this response was a complete waste of my time and you will come back with some 'one liner' witty retort that falls out of the loosely arranged file cabinet you call a mind, and then I may feel compelled to respond to you, and we may go back and forth a few times, but in the end, I will win. Why? Because I care, and you apparently don't. You have given up. Come back at me with something Harold. I dare you to wake up and THINK. Man oh man, there are SOME people who I would JUST LOVE to spend some time looking at their DNA.
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Marijuana doesn't make you do things like anymore than a coffee does.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
Then stop using both. :)
The bearing of a child takes nine months, no matter how many women are assigned.
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harold aptroot wrote:
It's a good thing really because I know I don't have to try - I can be as lazy as I want to.
No, what you did do is come up with an excuse to not accomplish anything. In your eyes you can now justifiably sit on your butt, become a looser and still in the end 'win' NOT because you accomplished anythign notable, but because you think you figured out the 'mystery'. You want to impress me Harold? Get up every morning at 6am and look at your self in the mirror. I mean REALLY look at your self, and then get ready to go to a job that pays your bills so that the rest of (apparently stupid folk) in society don't end up having too. Keep deciding that even though you are going to die someday, getting up and PARTICIPATING in life rather than just EXISTING is worth it. In other words Harold. Grow up. Piss moan and groan all you want, but do it on your own time and leave the rest of society out of it. If you have it 'all figured out' then why are you here? Just to extol your 'wisdom' on the rest of us? My bet is that this response was a complete waste of my time and you will come back with some 'one liner' witty retort that falls out of the loosely arranged file cabinet you call a mind, and then I may feel compelled to respond to you, and we may go back and forth a few times, but in the end, I will win. Why? Because I care, and you apparently don't. You have given up. Come back at me with something Harold. I dare you to wake up and THINK. Man oh man, there are SOME people who I would JUST LOVE to spend some time looking at their DNA.
Ray Cassick wrote:
In your eyes you can now justifiably sit on your butt, become a looser and still in the end 'win' NOT because you accomplished anythign notable, but because you think you figured out the 'mystery'.
Not really, I wouldn't 'win' that way anyway. There is no way to win.
Ray Cassick wrote:
My bet is that this response was a complete waste of my time and you will come back with some 'one liner' witty retort that falls out of the loosely arranged file cabinet you call a mind, and then I may feel compelled to respond to you, and we may go back and forth a few times, but in the end, I will win.
Continue. Winning the argument (assuming you will) does not make you win life either, though, so I don't know why you're even bothering to try.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
In your eyes you can now justifiably sit on your butt, become a looser and still in the end 'win' NOT because you accomplished anythign notable, but because you think you figured out the 'mystery'.
Not really, I wouldn't 'win' that way anyway. There is no way to win.
Ray Cassick wrote:
My bet is that this response was a complete waste of my time and you will come back with some 'one liner' witty retort that falls out of the loosely arranged file cabinet you call a mind, and then I may feel compelled to respond to you, and we may go back and forth a few times, but in the end, I will win.
Continue. Winning the argument (assuming you will) does not make you win life either, though, so I don't know why you're even bothering to try.
harold aptroot wrote:
There is no way to win.
Ah, but see, there in lies the rub. You say there is no way to win, yet you bothered to come back and convince me of that fact. If you are missing the irony here (I have no doubt that you truly are) the problem with your idealism is that by even trying to convince us here that there is no point in winning, you would win. You see, the ONLY REAL way that you can convince anyone that you are correct in your assumption here is to just go away and never come back, ever. If anythign we do, say or think about has no bearing on anything then why even try to convince us? Just go away and revel in your own knowledge as you watch us that apparently don't understand waddle around in our own lameness. But most importantly, just go away. Oh, and remember, by even replying to this, you are just adding fuel to my argument.
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I thought it was a minestrone served with Parmesan cheese. :)
Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
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Well, that's really the answer to your whole argument. Ignoring my personal beliefs ( because you know what they are ), and assuming that we just live and die, then the reason to bother is that so long as we're alive, we experience the reality we create for ourselves, and can enjoy it. If we're lucky, once we're gone, the way we chose to spend our time here will continue to impact on the lives of others. So long as being alive is more fun than not existing at all, that's reason enough to do it, and enjoy it while we can. That's plainly not my philosophy in life, but I still think it's workable for those with no hope beyond this life.
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