Governments reject GW as a reality
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
GW or not, I think this is pretty good plan: Sahara Solar Project[^] Because then we are paving to road to finally telling the Middle East to go to hell with their oil and stop relying on them. It would only generate electricity though so a lot would have to change before we can get rid of the middle east, but still..
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I'd be happier seeing that reported in the mainstream press; still, about bloody time: maybe they can concentrate on the real issues now.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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GW or not, I think this is pretty good plan: Sahara Solar Project[^] Because then we are paving to road to finally telling the Middle East to go to hell with their oil and stop relying on them. It would only generate electricity though so a lot would have to change before we can get rid of the middle east, but still..
harold aptroot wrote:
Because then we are paving to road to finally telling the Middle East to go to hell with their oil and stop relying on them. It would only generate electricity though so a lot would have to change before we can get rid of the middle east, but still..
I am totally in agreeement with you on that. Plus, we get to keep the oil for the chemicals industry rtather than burning it.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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harold aptroot wrote:
Because then we are paving to road to finally telling the Middle East to go to hell with their oil and stop relying on them. It would only generate electricity though so a lot would have to change before we can get rid of the middle east, but still..
I am totally in agreeement with you on that. Plus, we get to keep the oil for the chemicals industry rtather than burning it.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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That too, without those chemicals we'd be in quite some trouble, for fuel there are plenty alternatives
What you are forgetting is that petrol is a waste product, it is only used for driving cars. Most oil is turned into products, plastics, nylons, medicine etc, so we will need oil for a while yet, even if we all drive cars powered by a Mr Fusion car engine. Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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What you are forgetting is that petrol is a waste product, it is only used for driving cars. Most oil is turned into products, plastics, nylons, medicine etc, so we will need oil for a while yet, even if we all drive cars powered by a Mr Fusion car engine. Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
Hmm: perhaps it's time to re-open all those mines and put those pesky miners back to to work: maybe it's now economically viable to do so.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
Hmm: perhaps it's time to re-open all those mines and put those pesky miners back to to work: maybe it's now economically viable to do so.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Are you going to write to Cameron or should I? (it was your idea) :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
problem is you are placing our energy supply into the hands of people who have make the middle east supply look stable
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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Are you going to write to Cameron or should I? (it was your idea) :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Better you do it, I have already given him a list of things! :)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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problem is you are placing our energy supply into the hands of people who have make the middle east supply look stable
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Ah, but it wouldn't be an NCB run operation, do it with private companies and make it pay!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Better you do it, I have already given him a list of things! :)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I'll write[^] when I get home... :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Ah, but it wouldn't be an NCB run operation, do it with private companies and make it pay!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
what a private run company in the people republic of sharf yourkshire?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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What you are forgetting is that petrol is a waste product, it is only used for driving cars. Most oil is turned into products, plastics, nylons, medicine etc, so we will need oil for a while yet, even if we all drive cars powered by a Mr Fusion car engine. Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
THis really does show the staggering amount of CO2 that used ot be in the atmosphere prior to the carboniferous period. And is still a staggering amount of energy.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Yep, if it wasnt for the unions, and GW, it would have happened. Mind you germany subsidies of 50 lus quid a tonne doesnt make UK coal competetive either. There must be a correlation where if oil goes above such and such coal becomes ecconomically viable, like the oil sands in canada.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do.
You know, you continuously insult the AGW crowd for jumping on a bandwagon without sufficient proof, but you're doing the same thing on your side of the fence. You've already decided what you want the answer to be, and you assume that anyone who thinks otherwise is a scam artist. Try thinking like a real scientist. Keep your mind open to either possibility, and let the facts point the way. I know your instinctive response to this will be to prattle on about how X temperature in Y region hasn't risen in the past Z years, but for every report like that, there's another one that points out the opposite. Next, you'll attack the issue by attacking the credibility of the IPCC group, which distracts attention away from other scientists who have come to similar conclusions as them. Then you'll start trying to oversimplify the problem by applying what you learned in high school about absorption spectrums, without taking into account the structure of the atmosphere, its circulation patterns, and the different positive and negative feedback cycles which modify every effect. If your point is that we shouldn't be making far-reaching policies because we don't know the answer yet, then I do agree with you (Though I think a push for renewable energy is still needed for other reasons). If you're against any "green" movement simply because you hate the entire concept of "AGW," then I think you're just as closed-minded as the alarmists.
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fat_boy wrote:
As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing.
Not Australia, our previous PM, Kevin Rudd, signed the Kyoto protocol you know.