Governments reject GW as a reality
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That too, without those chemicals we'd be in quite some trouble, for fuel there are plenty alternatives
What you are forgetting is that petrol is a waste product, it is only used for driving cars. Most oil is turned into products, plastics, nylons, medicine etc, so we will need oil for a while yet, even if we all drive cars powered by a Mr Fusion car engine. Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
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What you are forgetting is that petrol is a waste product, it is only used for driving cars. Most oil is turned into products, plastics, nylons, medicine etc, so we will need oil for a while yet, even if we all drive cars powered by a Mr Fusion car engine. Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
Hmm: perhaps it's time to re-open all those mines and put those pesky miners back to to work: maybe it's now economically viable to do so.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
Hmm: perhaps it's time to re-open all those mines and put those pesky miners back to to work: maybe it's now economically viable to do so.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
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It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
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Are you going to write to Cameron or should I? (it was your idea) :-)
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It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
problem is you are placing our energy supply into the hands of people who have make the middle east supply look stable
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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Are you going to write to Cameron or should I? (it was your idea) :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Better you do it, I have already given him a list of things! :)
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problem is you are placing our energy supply into the hands of people who have make the middle east supply look stable
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Ah, but it wouldn't be an NCB run operation, do it with private companies and make it pay!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Better you do it, I have already given him a list of things! :)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I'll write[^] when I get home... :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Ah, but it wouldn't be an NCB run operation, do it with private companies and make it pay!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
what a private run company in the people republic of sharf yourkshire?
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What you are forgetting is that petrol is a waste product, it is only used for driving cars. Most oil is turned into products, plastics, nylons, medicine etc, so we will need oil for a while yet, even if we all drive cars powered by a Mr Fusion car engine. Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, there is always coal, and Britain has about 20,000 years reserves.
THis really does show the staggering amount of CO2 that used ot be in the atmosphere prior to the carboniferous period. And is still a staggering amount of energy.
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It would put 30,000+ people back into work, reduce our need for foriegn imports and secure our domestic energy requirements.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Yep, if it wasnt for the unions, and GW, it would have happened. Mind you germany subsidies of 50 lus quid a tonne doesnt make UK coal competetive either. There must be a correlation where if oil goes above such and such coal becomes ecconomically viable, like the oil sands in canada.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing. Well, it seems either the green vote was so small, or those voters have turned because now major world governments are finally waking up to the fact that support for GW policies are almost non existant, and, unnecessary: "Last week’s G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto and its environs confirmed that the world’s leaders accept the demise of global-warming alarmism." http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/1182-green-catastrophism-collapses.html[^] Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do. Not that I am against renewable energy, and the industry and jobs it creates, on the contrary, I am very much in favour. But AGW alarmism has not only damaged the world of science, it has also damaged the world of renewable energy. Reasonable people will for decades when presented with the words 'science' or 'renewable' always start to laugh, remembering the ridiculaous scam called AGW that so abused these words their value became derrided to the point of worthlessness. And that, is a shame. On a global scale.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do.
You know, you continuously insult the AGW crowd for jumping on a bandwagon without sufficient proof, but you're doing the same thing on your side of the fence. You've already decided what you want the answer to be, and you assume that anyone who thinks otherwise is a scam artist. Try thinking like a real scientist. Keep your mind open to either possibility, and let the facts point the way. I know your instinctive response to this will be to prattle on about how X temperature in Y region hasn't risen in the past Z years, but for every report like that, there's another one that points out the opposite. Next, you'll attack the issue by attacking the credibility of the IPCC group, which distracts attention away from other scientists who have come to similar conclusions as them. Then you'll start trying to oversimplify the problem by applying what you learned in high school about absorption spectrums, without taking into account the structure of the atmosphere, its circulation patterns, and the different positive and negative feedback cycles which modify every effect. If your point is that we shouldn't be making far-reaching policies because we don't know the answer yet, then I do agree with you (Though I think a push for renewable energy is still needed for other reasons). If you're against any "green" movement simply because you hate the entire concept of "AGW," then I think you're just as closed-minded as the alarmists.
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fat_boy wrote:
As we all knew many governments spouted GWisms just to get the green votes, and then actually did nothing.
Not Australia, our previous PM, Kevin Rudd, signed the Kyoto protocol you know.
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I'll write[^] when I get home... :-)
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What a thoroughly usefull site! Thanks! And its nice to see AGW is finally getting put on the back burner. Very satisfying. It just shows that people arent as stupid as politicans and certain scientists think. The arrogant bastards.
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fat_boy wrote:
And got sacked for doing so.
Actually, no he didn't. He was sacked by his party because they were of the opinion he'd not win another election. The promise of signing Kyoto was a large part of the reason he was elected.
Josh Gray wrote:
Actually, no he didn't. He was sacked by his party because they were of the opinion he'd not win another election. The promise of signing Kyoto was a large part of the reason he was elected.
Well, thats a matter of causality. FAct is he was a GW supporter, and while that was trndy gopt elected. Now its not, and he stcuk to heis GW stance, he got sacked.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Thanks god for a bit of sanity at last. I was worried for a while that our so called leaders might actually take AGW seriously. I always hoped they could see through it, and now it is apparent they do.
You know, you continuously insult the AGW crowd for jumping on a bandwagon without sufficient proof, but you're doing the same thing on your side of the fence. You've already decided what you want the answer to be, and you assume that anyone who thinks otherwise is a scam artist. Try thinking like a real scientist. Keep your mind open to either possibility, and let the facts point the way. I know your instinctive response to this will be to prattle on about how X temperature in Y region hasn't risen in the past Z years, but for every report like that, there's another one that points out the opposite. Next, you'll attack the issue by attacking the credibility of the IPCC group, which distracts attention away from other scientists who have come to similar conclusions as them. Then you'll start trying to oversimplify the problem by applying what you learned in high school about absorption spectrums, without taking into account the structure of the atmosphere, its circulation patterns, and the different positive and negative feedback cycles which modify every effect. If your point is that we shouldn't be making far-reaching policies because we don't know the answer yet, then I do agree with you (Though I think a push for renewable energy is still needed for other reasons). If you're against any "green" movement simply because you hate the entire concept of "AGW," then I think you're just as closed-minded as the alarmists.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You're looking for consistency in him, and others, that isn't there. People maybe able to think logically because of some rules like in programming, but most fail to apply it to most as much of their life as possible. Taking a scientific, logical approach to all aspects of a person's life can lead to a complete upheaval of currently held beliefs. Besides knowing that money and selfish desires are what motivate people the most; the existence of AGW doesn't matter. People won't do anything about it until it is an overwhelming problem that cannot be avoided any longer. World dependence on oil is a good example, but that's just my opinion. That dependence is almost at it's limit and the price of it beyond dollars and sense is becoming more and more apparent as oil spills into the gulf and other places around the world. Given humanity's propensity at screwing up you'd think we'd have learned by now, but since lives aren't worth dollars and sense loosing them or any other form of life in the process of progress seems to be unimportant or worthless. Until either our country or enough countries have the resolve to stop doing something and start doing something more responsible and respectful then it will not occur. Regardless of the rabble rousing around here, the political will for our leaders to do anything comes from the citizens that elect them. Whether or not anyone here wants to admit it or not their corruptness is our own. We elect what represents us and the only reason we don't like them is because we don't like what we see in ourselves. The excuse so often given about the lack of competence and honesty of our politicians is that it's the fault of the system and that we'd can't do anything about it. End of rant. :|
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Josh Gray wrote:
Actually, no he didn't. He was sacked by his party because they were of the opinion he'd not win another election. The promise of signing Kyoto was a large part of the reason he was elected.
Well, thats a matter of causality. FAct is he was a GW supporter, and while that was trndy gopt elected. Now its not, and he stcuk to heis GW stance, he got sacked.
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fat_boy wrote:
Well, thats a matter of causality. FAct is he was a GW supporter, and while that was trndy gopt elected. Now its not, and he stcuk to heis GW stance, he got sacked.
Do you know anything about the person that replaced him? Do you know its likely the fucking greens will get far more seats at the next election because he was such a tool? You really are an ignorant little fucker.
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You're looking for consistency in him, and others, that isn't there. People maybe able to think logically because of some rules like in programming, but most fail to apply it to most as much of their life as possible. Taking a scientific, logical approach to all aspects of a person's life can lead to a complete upheaval of currently held beliefs. Besides knowing that money and selfish desires are what motivate people the most; the existence of AGW doesn't matter. People won't do anything about it until it is an overwhelming problem that cannot be avoided any longer. World dependence on oil is a good example, but that's just my opinion. That dependence is almost at it's limit and the price of it beyond dollars and sense is becoming more and more apparent as oil spills into the gulf and other places around the world. Given humanity's propensity at screwing up you'd think we'd have learned by now, but since lives aren't worth dollars and sense loosing them or any other form of life in the process of progress seems to be unimportant or worthless. Until either our country or enough countries have the resolve to stop doing something and start doing something more responsible and respectful then it will not occur. Regardless of the rabble rousing around here, the political will for our leaders to do anything comes from the citizens that elect them. Whether or not anyone here wants to admit it or not their corruptness is our own. We elect what represents us and the only reason we don't like them is because we don't like what we see in ourselves. The excuse so often given about the lack of competence and honesty of our politicians is that it's the fault of the system and that we'd can't do anything about it. End of rant. :|
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
He's avoiding my post anyway. The funny thing is that the more he posts about AGW being a scam, and the more he tries to support his side by quoting individuals and incredibly-biased reporters, the more I'm driven away from his side. Maybe he's actually been planted by the "alarmists" to make the anti-AGW side look like a bunch of amateurs and fools. Just like CSS is probably a government spy, trying to make the conspiracy nuts look like fools! It all makes perfect sense! :)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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