Why isn't this a good design?
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Electrical outlets outside the buildings, parking lots, garages etc. would be a more effective solution IMO. The slap station could be in use only if you take a long trip. If memory serves there is such outlets build-in in the walls of residential buildings in Finland. They are used to worm the car’s interior and the engine in the mornings when the outside temperature is about -30 C.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
If memory serves there is such outlets build-in in the walls of residential buildings in Finland. They are used to worm the car’s interior and the engine in the mornings when the outside temperature is about -30 C.
I have a friend in Anchorage (Alaska)... They have the same things up there, in outdoor parking spaces and unheated garages. It's not for the interior, though (I think)... Just keeps the engine block from freezing.
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harold aptroot wrote:
- How can you be sure of the quality of the gas you're tanking these days? Same problem, no? You'll just have to take their word for it, and hopefully they will be afraid of bad press..
True, but I assumed there was some kind of inspection process... Of course, a similar process could be applied to swap stations.
harold aptroot wrote:
- Oh well, use govt pressure, create a standardization committee, manufacturers will be pissed but who cares
Heh, like the government can get anything done :)
harold aptroot wrote:
They'll have to do Something though, current pure electric cars are not even usable except as a toy.
Not entirely true... How far do most people drive in a typical day? The Tesla Roadster, admittedly a top-end electric, has a 245-mile range[^]. That's just the first all-electric name that came to mind (Plus, it's really cool :) ), but if they can do it, so can the other manufacturers. It's long distance that gives electric cars problems... But since that's a relatively-small percentage of use, maybe we should just keep that as gas for now. I don't know which cars are on the market that do it this way, but I remember reading about hybrids that would operate 100% electric until the battery runs low (Assuming it isn't recharged), then start up a small, optimized gas engine to recharge the battery. So basically, you get the first 100 miles (Or whatever the number) as full-electric, but you can still use gasoline and drive long-distance. Plus, the gas engine is basically just a generator, so it's much more efficient than it would be if it was running the wheels directly (Small size, runs at optimum speed, etc).
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)There are exceptions to every rule :) 245 miles is about 400Km, it sounds like a lot but if I'd go on vacation to my favorite place in Germany I wouldn't even make it all the way there, and the 4 hour recharge time is about as long as it takes to drive those 400Km. If you're just going to your work and back every day I guess that would work - but is shit is €84k dude :laugh: It'll be a while before the affordable models are on this level.. Hybrid would work.
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That's nice, but they're all failing, otherwise those swapping stations would actually exist by now and they don't
You asked if someone had thought about it before - they had. In any case I mostly agree that it is not a viable proposition for at least the reasons already mentioned in other posts.
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You asked if someone had thought about it before - they had. In any case I mostly agree that it is not a viable proposition for at least the reasons already mentioned in other posts.
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Not really, I asked why they had rejected the idea, since they must have thought about it before
Your posts begins: Someone must have thought of this before... Perhaps old age and a low battery are causing you to forget what you just said. :-)
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Your posts begins: Someone must have thought of this before... Perhaps old age and a low battery are causing you to forget what you just said. :-)
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There are exceptions to every rule :) 245 miles is about 400Km, it sounds like a lot but if I'd go on vacation to my favorite place in Germany I wouldn't even make it all the way there, and the 4 hour recharge time is about as long as it takes to drive those 400Km. If you're just going to your work and back every day I guess that would work - but is shit is €84k dude :laugh: It'll be a while before the affordable models are on this level.. Hybrid would work.
We're getting there[^].
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Being as I am reasonably literate I was able to read the title of your post and, subsequently the body text thereof, as: "Someone must have thought of this before, but apparently rejected the idea. "The" electric car problem is the insane recharge time. So, don't recharge. Swap batteries, and let the ones you're not using recharge. And build "swap stations" around the country where you pay to swap in new batteries. And have them swapped automatically - push them in on one end, the old ones come out at the other. But they're not doing this, so something must be wrong with the idea." I responded to be helpful with links to sites that had more information on this idea; specifically to the first part of the first sentence, to wit: "Someone must have thought of this before". They have, hence the links. The fact that they may or may not have rejected the ideas, for whatever reasons, are not germane to my post. Jeez: you can't help some people (and I wish I hadn't bothered - if you were standing in front of me I'd tell you were to stick yourself and, yes, I am annoyed with you for no real reason that I can currently think of other than you are being bloody minded).
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Being as I am reasonably literate I was able to read the title of your post and, subsequently the body text thereof, as: "Someone must have thought of this before, but apparently rejected the idea. "The" electric car problem is the insane recharge time. So, don't recharge. Swap batteries, and let the ones you're not using recharge. And build "swap stations" around the country where you pay to swap in new batteries. And have them swapped automatically - push them in on one end, the old ones come out at the other. But they're not doing this, so something must be wrong with the idea." I responded to be helpful with links to sites that had more information on this idea; specifically to the first part of the first sentence, to wit: "Someone must have thought of this before". They have, hence the links. The fact that they may or may not have rejected the ideas, for whatever reasons, are not germane to my post. Jeez: you can't help some people (and I wish I hadn't bothered - if you were standing in front of me I'd tell you were to stick yourself and, yes, I am annoyed with you for no real reason that I can currently think of other than you are being bloody minded).
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No: bloody hay fever is driving em nuts: just want to scratch my eyes out. Hope I didn't offend you. Too much. :-)
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No: bloody hay fever is driving em nuts: just want to scratch my eyes out. Hope I didn't offend you. Too much. :-)
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Would I be in back room if I were easily offended? Ok maybe I would be, plenty of people are.. Hay fever is teh suck, I don't even have it that much but I sneeze all the time now, it's worse outside so at least I have a reason not to go there Winter FTW!
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We're getting there[^].
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Some are nice.. but the Mini E and the BEV electron? Insane recharge times. or the Tango? Impressive stats (except range), but with a design like that..
Hey, like I said... We're GETTING THERE... We're not there yet :)
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Someone must have thought of this before, but apparently rejected the idea. "The" electric car problem is the insane recharge time. So, don't recharge. Swap batteries, and let the ones you're not using recharge. And build "swap stations" around the country where you pay to swap in new batteries. And have them swapped automatically - push them in on one end, the old ones come out at the other. But they're not doing this, so something must be wrong with the idea.
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That could work, there would have to be a lot more of those than of swap stations though.. How would they charge you for the electricity?
harold aptroot wrote:
How would they charge you for the electricity?
Noting fancy or expensive; for the residential areas a designated parking spot with a key for the outlet or even an electric switch inside your apartment or outlet programed to “serve” only your car. For the public areas, booths where you slap your credit card and enter the spot number. The problem as you mentioned it will be the recharge time – if you forgot to plug your car in the evening you will not be able to commute on the next day. But they could make the cars “smart”. There will be a lot of “free” money because of removing from the vehicle of the most expensive parts – the engine, pumps, complicated gear box etc. part of this money could be invested in the car computer: it will give you a call if you forgot to plug it in, if you not answer for some time, calling your boss explaining that you’re a nub and will not be able to go to work on the next morning and eventually electronically sign your resignation. Things like that.
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Just like you take your empty gas bottles for a refill. Simple yet elegant solution.
Two heads are better than one.
The gas bottle weight is not 200 Kg/400 lb. and it not costs > $4K.
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Someone must have thought of this before, but apparently rejected the idea. "The" electric car problem is the insane recharge time. So, don't recharge. Swap batteries, and let the ones you're not using recharge. And build "swap stations" around the country where you pay to swap in new batteries. And have them swapped automatically - push them in on one end, the old ones come out at the other. But they're not doing this, so something must be wrong with the idea.
There are many, many reasons that this would not be practicable. Apart from those already mentioned Cost of real estate to build a large enough facility in highly populated areas would push the price way higher than many people could afford. What do you do if you arrive at the swap station just after they have sold the last charged battery pack, with insufficient charge left to get to the next one? You cannot jog there with a spare can for a few volts. With current technology, battery powered electric vehicles really are a dead end. Only when fuel cells are improved enough will the practical electric vehicle start to be seen.
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There are many, many reasons that this would not be practicable. Apart from those already mentioned Cost of real estate to build a large enough facility in highly populated areas would push the price way higher than many people could afford. What do you do if you arrive at the swap station just after they have sold the last charged battery pack, with insufficient charge left to get to the next one? You cannot jog there with a spare can for a few volts. With current technology, battery powered electric vehicles really are a dead end. Only when fuel cells are improved enough will the practical electric vehicle start to be seen.
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harold aptroot wrote:
So.. you're putting your money on "tech which doesn't exist yet"?
Oh, but it does. Honda has a Hydrogen powered fuel cell vehicle that it sells only in (I think) California USA, at the moment. Clickety[^] The problem is getting sufficient quantities of Hydrogen, at a reasonable cost, for it to become a feasible mainstream product. Many companies have developed fuel cells to power Lap-Tops (most that I have seen powered by Methane) just one example[^].
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harold aptroot wrote:
So.. you're putting your money on "tech which doesn't exist yet"?
Oh, but it does. Honda has a Hydrogen powered fuel cell vehicle that it sells only in (I think) California USA, at the moment. Clickety[^] The problem is getting sufficient quantities of Hydrogen, at a reasonable cost, for it to become a feasible mainstream product. Many companies have developed fuel cells to power Lap-Tops (most that I have seen powered by Methane) just one example[^].
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'