Interesting study of US raw/adjusted rural/urban data sets.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
- Yours is the only true religion, and all non-believers should be lynched
This is the problem with so much of the entrenched thinking around. It leads to all kinds of things that are patently false on their face. For proof take all the nonsense in relation to Obama as examples.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Now here's my viewpoint: 1) All viewpoints are tentative, pending further evidence 2) Some issues are too complex to be fully understood by computer geeks like us, so we need to, at least to some degree, trust the findings of people who spend their lives trying to understand said issues. 3) "I don't know yet" is a valid answer 4) In the event of #3, hope for the best and plan for the worst.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the current arguments of various subjects right now. The things that are really irritating right now are all the made up bull or partial truth lies that are being passed around. See your own 911 mosque that isn't a mosque issue. X| Now a christian fundamentalist wants to create a Christian community center in the area.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Yeah, the mosque thing is all a joke... Politicians fishing for votes. Fortunately, someone (I forget who) actually came up with a sensible compromise, to shut everyone up. It's going to be a rather large building, so someone suggested that it contain an "inter-faith" center, to promote cooperation between religions and such. It kind of makes sense, and fits in with the "message" that the Muslim community is trying to send in NYC. The builders seem responsive to that idea, and I think it's a good plan.
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Heh, you should... It's funny... All one-liners and comic book style violence. Just don't take it seriously, or you'll be VERY disappointed.
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You threw him away to live in a concrete prison?
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I went away to college, and my parents gave him away to a good friend... That friend had a couple of young children who showered the dog with attention... He eventually died of old age, fat and happy. Yet again, you fail.
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Yeah... you never forget a good pet. They're special relationships.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
No doubt... Only have two photos on display in my apartment, and one of them is him.
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No doubt... Only have two photos on display in my apartment, and one of them is him.
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wolfbinary wrote:
Even if all this GW is a bunch of bologna, it doesn't change the fact that it is in our national security interest to stop using 19th century energy technology and start creating and using 21st century.
Such as?
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Just don't take it seriously, or you'll be VERY disappointed.
I've read my Herodotus - that's why I didn't bother seeing the film. The trailers told me all I needed to know. ;)
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Heh... Like I said... Mindless comic book violence. Lots of good one-liners. You've got a bunch of barbaric neanderthals that are egotistical and nigh-unstoppable warriors, a narrator that keeps going on and on about how cool they are, and a bunch of super-evil bad guys led by an androgynous emperor with a superiority complex. Basically... It's a fun popcorn flick. (Yes, it's "based" on the battle of Thermopylae, but they've taken so much creative license that you'll just be annoyed if you try to compare it to reality)
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Hey, so do you think we've sufficiently hijacked this thread now? :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Yep! Think we proved a point I made earlier... This part of the thread is no longer about that stuff in the title that I won't mention :)
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I could support that. The earth has a lot of oil, and even produces massive amounts of a-biotic oil, oil is the energy that will sustain us. As for as stationary energy systems such as the pwergrid, we need to use nuclear (and hydro wherever available). The technology has advanced enough for it to be safe. Protable energy will remain oil based until we develop alternitive systsms that are cheaper and allow us to reiul like we do now.
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Heh... Like I said... Mindless comic book violence. Lots of good one-liners. You've got a bunch of barbaric neanderthals that are egotistical and nigh-unstoppable warriors, a narrator that keeps going on and on about how cool they are, and a bunch of super-evil bad guys led by an androgynous emperor with a superiority complex. Basically... It's a fun popcorn flick. (Yes, it's "based" on the battle of Thermopylae, but they've taken so much creative license that you'll just be annoyed if you try to compare it to reality)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
You've got a bunch of barbaric neanderthals that are egotistical and nigh-unstoppable warriors, a narrator that keeps going on and on about how cool they are, and a bunch of super-evil bad guys led by an androgynous emperor with a superiority complex.
So it's like an NFL game involving the Raiders? :-D
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I could support that. The earth has a lot of oil, and even produces massive amounts of a-biotic oil, oil is the energy that will sustain us. As for as stationary energy systems such as the pwergrid, we need to use nuclear (and hydro wherever available). The technology has advanced enough for it to be safe. Protable energy will remain oil based until we develop alternitive systsms that are cheaper and allow us to reiul like we do now.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As for as stationary energy systems such as the pwergrid, we need to use nuclear (and hydro wherever available). The technology has advanced enough for it to be safe. Protable energy will remain oil based until we develop alternitive systsms that are cheaper and allow us to reiul like we do now.
What the... Who are you, and what have you done with CSS?
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
You've got a bunch of barbaric neanderthals that are egotistical and nigh-unstoppable warriors, a narrator that keeps going on and on about how cool they are, and a bunch of super-evil bad guys led by an androgynous emperor with a superiority complex.
So it's like an NFL game involving the Raiders? :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Umm... Dunno... I don't watch sports :)
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Umm... Dunno... I don't watch sports :)
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:)
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As for as stationary energy systems such as the pwergrid, we need to use nuclear (and hydro wherever available). The technology has advanced enough for it to be safe. Protable energy will remain oil based until we develop alternitive systsms that are cheaper and allow us to reiul like we do now.
What the... Who are you, and what have you done with CSS?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Dear Sir we have CSS, at present he is safe but unless you bring us a peperoni pizza and diet coke in 30 minutes this could change Many thanks GW - Discover Channel
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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Dear Sir we have CSS, at present he is safe but unless you bring us a peperoni pizza and diet coke in 30 minutes this could change Many thanks GW - Discover Channel
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
It could change? If I send the pizza and coke, do you promise NOT to release him?
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It could change? If I send the pizza and coke, do you promise NOT to release him?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I'll agree to these terms on one condition! you keep fat_boy
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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I'll agree to these terms on one condition! you keep fat_boy
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
Never! We will not negotiate with terrorists!
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fat_boy wrote:
Free of mans influence
What about land clearing in rural areas? Just because it's not a city doesn't mean it hasn't been dug up, deforested, dammed or otherwise plundered, possibly for generations. Who's to say what effects those things might have on the data recorded? Any why is 'data manipulation' limited to data recorded in urban areas? Sounds like a load of shit to me.
Josh Gray wrote:
What about land clearing in rural areas?
That would come under the banner or urbanisation. By rural I mean stations in areas that have been unaffected by urbanisaiton. For example many stations are near houses since they are maintained by individals. But, provided in the life of that station data there hasnt been increased urbanisation in the vicinity of the station then its data can be said to be free of urbanisaiton even if it is in an urban area.
Josh Gray wrote:
Any why is 'data manipulation' limited to data recorded in urban areas?
Take a look at the link, it isnt.
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So data that avoids the city heat island effect, not data that is influenced by man. That makes more sense. That said, it is possible to compensate for the heat island effect, and as far as I remember is typically done when doing anything of real value. Typically the stations are used more for the differential of temperature rather than the direct temperature, again, in items that are of any real value, so none of the studies you read about in the news are terribly likely to qualify there.
Distind wrote:
So data that avoids the city heat island effect, not data that is influenced by man. That makes more sense.
Precisely. And because it is freed of ans effect through urbanisaiton it doesnt need manipulation and can be used raw. This removes any errors, intentional or not, from the resulting data set. Show me a graph of that which shows highly unusual warming and I will jon the blams CO2 group because it would be significantly outside natural variability.
Distind wrote:
That said, it is possible to compensate for the heat island effect
Why not avoid all adjustments by using raw rural data? But take a look at the link of mine and see just what is done to the raw temperature record in the US. Its quite disturbing.
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