Why don't these rhyme??
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I'd hate to have to learn english as a second language, i can only imagine what a bitch that would be. HOwever, that is our language and we must stick by it. One can look on english in two ways: 1. It is a selectively bred mix of several languages to give a diverse and adaptable language. 2. Its a bastard language created out of imperialism. I've made my choice, you make yours.
The Internet, whats that? Is it a car?
"There's a statistical theory that if you gave millions of monkeys typewriters and set them to work, they'd eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespere. Thanks to the Internet, we know this isn't true."Jonny Newman wrote: I've made my choice, you make yours. Well, that's simple really: Jonny Newman wrote: 2. Its a bastard language created out of imperialism. ;P That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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I'd hate to have to learn english as a second language, i can only imagine what a bitch that would be. HOwever, that is our language and we must stick by it. One can look on english in two ways: 1. It is a selectively bred mix of several languages to give a diverse and adaptable language. 2. Its a bastard language created out of imperialism. I've made my choice, you make yours.
The Internet, whats that? Is it a car?
"There's a statistical theory that if you gave millions of monkeys typewriters and set them to work, they'd eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespere. Thanks to the Internet, we know this isn't true."Jonny Newman wrote: 2. Its a bastard language created out of imperialism. Yes a bastard language but actually not out of imperialism, assuming my memory is not to far from the truth. I saw a show many years ago call the "History of the English Language". The primary point was the language was being formed from native tongues in the British Isles, and from all of the imported tongues (Norseman, French, ...) about the same time that learning to write in the native language was taking place, since nothing was fixed each little area made their own rules and they all were by default correct. "I will find a new sig someday."
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I just got an email asking me why marine, urine and twine do not rhyme. Good question,no? OK maybe not, but I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. like: semen and Yemen. (no offense to any Yemenese);) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
Because english is a result of collisions (usually the aftermath of invasions ) of at least half a dozen languages ! So if I can speak english does that make me multilingual ? :confused: Elaine (speaking in tounges) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Jonny Newman wrote: 2. Its a bastard language created out of imperialism. Yes a bastard language but actually not out of imperialism, assuming my memory is not to far from the truth. I saw a show many years ago call the "History of the English Language". The primary point was the language was being formed from native tongues in the British Isles, and from all of the imported tongues (Norseman, French, ...) about the same time that learning to write in the native language was taking place, since nothing was fixed each little area made their own rules and they all were by default correct. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: since nothing was fixed each little area made their own rules and they all were by default correct Yep, we still have the Cornish. :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Rememberance knows no boundaries. Wear a poppy and uphold the silence: 10/11-Nov-2002
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I just got an email asking me why marine, urine and twine do not rhyme. Good question,no? OK maybe not, but I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. like: semen and Yemen. (no offense to any Yemenese);) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
English spelling sucks. Always has, always will. ;) brianwelsch wrote: I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. tough though through thorough --Mike-- "alyson hannigan is so cute it's crazy" -- Googlism Just released - 1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click! My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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English spelling sucks. Always has, always will. ;) brianwelsch wrote: I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. tough though through thorough --Mike-- "alyson hannigan is so cute it's crazy" -- Googlism Just released - 1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click! My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
If you want a great language, learn Welsh. It's a lovely phonetic language that admittedly requires nearly a pint of phlegm in your throat to pronounce anything. But still, it's one of the oldest langauges in Europe. "Car", for example, is Welsh. Ha! Whenever you get in your "car", think of me being annoying like this! Michael Dunn wrote: "alyson hannigan is so cute it's crazy" Ah. :) :-O :rose:
Simon Walton
Sonork: 10024P
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I just got an email asking me why marine, urine and twine do not rhyme. Good question,no? OK maybe not, but I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. like: semen and Yemen. (no offense to any Yemenese);) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: I just got an email asking me why marine, urine and twine do not rhyme. *Paul trys to answer seriously* Because rhyming is not just about similar sounding words but is also to do with the rythmn and inflection of the word. Marine lifts up at the end, but urine and twine do not. The "ine" in urine does not have the "wine" sound to it that twine does. In this Story of English book I am reading they show how three different people all speaking different dialects of English all disagree on the rhyming of the same poem. Seems pronounciation is very important.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote:
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: since nothing was fixed each little area made their own rules and they all were by default correct Yep, we still have the Cornish. :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Rememberance knows no boundaries. Wear a poppy and uphold the silence: 10/11-Nov-2002
Ok next I meet a Cornish, i'll call them default corrects. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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I just got an email asking me why marine, urine and twine do not rhyme. Good question,no? OK maybe not, but I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. like: semen and Yemen. (no offense to any Yemenese);) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
Another good example is the name of the actor "Sean Bean" (Pronounced shawn been if you're uncertain) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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English spelling sucks. Always has, always will. ;) brianwelsch wrote: I thought it be a good waste of time to come up with more non-rhyming words that look like they should. tough though through thorough --Mike-- "alyson hannigan is so cute it's crazy" -- Googlism Just released - 1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click! My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
ghapt should be an acceptable spelling for fat, right? (gh as in cough, and pt as in pterodactyl) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Another good example is the name of the actor "Sean Bean" (Pronounced shawn been if you're uncertain) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
good one! (had to look up who he was) tear and bear, and tear i suppose too. with tear and bear actually sounding similar like 'air', and the other tear sounding different like 'beer'. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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brianwelsch wrote: I just got an email asking me why marine, urine and twine do not rhyme. *Paul trys to answer seriously* Because rhyming is not just about similar sounding words but is also to do with the rythmn and inflection of the word. Marine lifts up at the end, but urine and twine do not. The "ine" in urine does not have the "wine" sound to it that twine does. In this Story of English book I am reading they show how three different people all speaking different dialects of English all disagree on the rhyming of the same poem. Seems pronounciation is very important.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRay Cassick wrote:
Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul WatsonPaul Watson wrote: The "ine" in urine does not have the "wine" sound to it that twine does. seems they should have simply dropped the 'e' in urine to keep it similar. wine -> win twine -> twin urine should be urin. I think I'll check out that book you've trying to get everyone to buy 'The Story of English'. ;) I also found this one, which seems like an interesting read as well. Mother Tongue[^] I have the Cambridge Encyclopedia of English[^], and need to dust it off, and take a peek again. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Because english is a result of collisions (usually the aftermath of invasions ) of at least half a dozen languages ! So if I can speak english does that make me multilingual ? :confused: Elaine (speaking in tounges) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: Because english is a result of collisions (usually the aftermath of invasions ) of at least half a dozen languages ! The thing thats neat now, is that English is going back and effecting some its root languages. Speaking with family in Germany, I know that there are many english words that get peppered into their daily language. An obvious example is 'cool', i think the French may use also. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Rhyme with orange, silver, and purple (all colors, no less, eh?!) English is just a silly language that has more exceptions than rules. As far as logical languages go, it is NOT high up on the list. :-D Dough, thorough, through, cough, etc... none of them rhyme. :-D That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Atlantys wrote: has more exceptions than rules Certainly seems way doesn't it? I've heard that English the one of the most difficult languages to master, but one of the easiest to get your meaning across. Not sure how it can be both. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Trollslayer wrote: Because english is a result of collisions (usually the aftermath of invasions ) of at least half a dozen languages ! The thing thats neat now, is that English is going back and effecting some its root languages. Speaking with family in Germany, I know that there are many english words that get peppered into their daily language. An obvious example is 'cool', i think the French may use also. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
I spent a few months in Germany last year (Nuremberg in the south), and there are a few Italian words used too. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?