Economists, please explain.
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There are times when I really wish that any government could be as organised as you make them out. Unfortunately, I have yet to see any government that could successfully run a bath, let alone plan a vast and subtle conspiracy to demoralise, denigrate and dominate citizens.
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That is what you tell yourself to make you feel safer, but in reality the government controls just about every part of your life. They aren't stupid, If they were stupid they wouldn't be in power.
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That is what you tell yourself to make you feel safer, but in reality the government controls just about every part of your life. They aren't stupid, If they were stupid they wouldn't be in power.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If they were stupid they wouldn't be in power
Have you ever met a politician? Getting the shoes on the right feet is a major challenge!
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That is what you tell yourself to make you feel safer, but in reality the government controls just about every part of your life. They aren't stupid, If they were stupid they wouldn't be in power.
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Bad day to ask the English that our government has today announced measures to sack/lay off/delete/expunge at least 500,000 publicly employed workers while at the same time introducing draconian measures to force the unemployed and the sick back into work. All in the name of creating more jobs.
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As we all know, there is unemployment. But still certain members of parliament are trying to get more women to work, by (for example) subsidizing day care. Why? What good would it do? Wouldn't that just result in an even higher unemployment rate?
It's about the votes. And remember, it doesn't need to make sense to you, but it probably makes sense to the ones that are affected.
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- Provide employment for Day Care Workers - good thing. 2) Get more short skirts into offices - good thing. 3) Um...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
- Get more short skirts into offices - good thing.
As politically incorrect as it is... I agree...
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Please oh Please take my five... :laugh:
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That is what you tell yourself to make you feel safer, but in reality the government controls just about every part of your life. They aren't stupid, If they were stupid they wouldn't be in power.
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You don't need to be intelligent to be a lying, manipulative weasel. In fact from what I've seen it helps if you aren't. Of course thanks to Mr. Dunning and Mr. Kruger we have an explanation as to why they may think they are, but typically they aren't. Take Palin for example. It doesn't take a rocket scientist(or even an English major) to tell you that comparing yourself to Shakespeare because you make up words is a remarkably bad idea, but she did.
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It's about the votes. And remember, it doesn't need to make sense to you, but it probably makes sense to the ones that are affected.
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
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You don't need to be intelligent to be a lying, manipulative weasel. In fact from what I've seen it helps if you aren't. Of course thanks to Mr. Dunning and Mr. Kruger we have an explanation as to why they may think they are, but typically they aren't. Take Palin for example. It doesn't take a rocket scientist(or even an English major) to tell you that comparing yourself to Shakespeare because you make up words is a remarkably bad idea, but she did.
Believe me, they are not stupid. They know how to get elected, they know what they are doing.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If they were stupid they wouldn't be in power
Have you ever met a politician? Getting the shoes on the right feet is a major challenge!
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They know what they are doing, once they get into office they pass the laws that the really smart people want them to pass, politicians are are actors.
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Given that 30% of my council tax goes to pensions...
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You will be expecting that to go up then? What with all those people no longer paying council tax. They wont be eligible for it on the dole. All the people being laid off from private enterprise no longer paying council tax as they've been laid off because not as many people are buying their products/paying for their services. Oh and just because the government have cut the amount of money they pay to local councils and the money has to come from somewhere.
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They know what they are doing, once they get into office they pass the laws that the really smart people want them to pass, politicians are are actors.
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They know what they are doing, once they get into office they pass the laws that the really smart people want them to pass, politicians are are actors.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
they pass the laws that the really smart people want them to pass
Have they passed the laws you want them to pass? No, therefore you are not a really smart person, therefore you are most likely incorrect!
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They know what they are doing, once they get into office they pass the laws that the really smart people want them to pass, politicians are are actors.
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So now you are saying that the government isn't in charge, they are just obeying the instructions of the "really smart" people?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
they pass the laws that the really smart people want them to pass
Wouldn't that generally be considered a good thing? Or would you prefer them to pass laws that the really dumb people want them to pass?
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They are in the UK - for example part-timers are not eligible for overtime pay until they have worked the same number of hours as a full time employee would have. So you can employ two PT to cover the same hours (say 15 + 15) as a FT worker (say 30), but if they do extra hours, each PT can get basic wage until they have worked 30 hours - lots cheaper for the employer. There are others differences but they basically all add up to benefits for the company, not the worker.
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Yeah, I am from the UK, what you say is true. I wasnt sure if its the same in Holland though, but if so its a possible cause. There are some big difference between the UK and the continent with this kind of thing.
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They are in the UK - for example part-timers are not eligible for overtime pay until they have worked the same number of hours as a full time employee would have. So you can employ two PT to cover the same hours (say 15 + 15) as a FT worker (say 30), but if they do extra hours, each PT can get basic wage until they have worked 30 hours - lots cheaper for the employer. There are others differences but they basically all add up to benefits for the company, not the worker.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
OriginalGriff wrote:
for example part-timers are not eligible for overtime pay until they have worked the same number of hours as a full time employee
That's not actually true. Overtime pay is entirely down to an individuals contract of employment and from recent experience more and more employers are offering either none, time off in lieu or payments at normal time only. There is no legal entitlement in the UK to overtime pay any more, if in fact there ever was. From DirectGov[^]; There's no legal right to pay for working extra hours, and there are no minimum statutory levels of overtime pay, although your average pay rate must not fall below the National Minimum Wage. Your contract of employment should include details of overtime pay rates and how they are worked out. Overtime rates vary from employer to employer, some will pay extra for working weekends or Bank Holidays, and others won't. In terms of statutory entitlements though part-time workers do have the same rights as full-time. From DirectGov[^]; Part-time workers have the same statutory employment rights as any other employee. You do not have to work a minimum number of hours to qualify for employment rights.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
for example part-timers are not eligible for overtime pay until they have worked the same number of hours as a full time employee
That's not actually true. Overtime pay is entirely down to an individuals contract of employment and from recent experience more and more employers are offering either none, time off in lieu or payments at normal time only. There is no legal entitlement in the UK to overtime pay any more, if in fact there ever was. From DirectGov[^]; There's no legal right to pay for working extra hours, and there are no minimum statutory levels of overtime pay, although your average pay rate must not fall below the National Minimum Wage. Your contract of employment should include details of overtime pay rates and how they are worked out. Overtime rates vary from employer to employer, some will pay extra for working weekends or Bank Holidays, and others won't. In terms of statutory entitlements though part-time workers do have the same rights as full-time. From DirectGov[^]; Part-time workers have the same statutory employment rights as any other employee. You do not have to work a minimum number of hours to qualify for employment rights.
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I guess it depends where you look:
Re: Employment Act 2008
Overtime Part-time workers do not have an automatic right to overtime payments once they work beyond their normal hours. Only when part-time workers have worked up to the normal hours of comparable full-time workers do they have a legal right to overtime payments. This does not affect the right of part-time workers, where they are entitled, to receive unsocial hours payments, weekend payments or other forms of enhanced pay (see previous section). To comply with the law: Part-time workers should receive the same hourly rate of overtime pay as comparable full-time workers, once they have worked more than the normal full-time hours. Examples of complying with the law: A hotel, in which full-timers work five 8 hour days per week, hits a busy period in the run up to Christmas. It asks all its staff to work extra hours. A part-time worker who normally works 9-12 agrees to work 9-2. She receives her normal hourly rate of pay, with no overtime payment, for the additional hours. The same applies to a second part-time worker who normally works two days a week, and agrees to work four. A third part-time worker normally works three days a week, and agrees to work for five days and one evening. She receives her normal pay rate for the extra two days, but receives an overtime payment for the extra evening.
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