gay mega church pastor comes out
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25568419/detail.html[^] I'm struck between it being a good thing and wondering what's made him think he could last this long living like this.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Better late than never. I wonder how many teenage boys in his congregation have been through hell and how many of those might have had an easier time had he been honest about himself?
Josh Gray wrote:
I wonder how many teenage boys in his congregation have been through hell
Look on the bright side, consider how many teenage girls have been spared. Is there any evidence of predatory homosexuality? It's not as if he's a Catholic priest. It is possible for those of us with a conscience, whether heterosexual or homosexual, not to take advantage of the young.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I wonder how many teenage boys in his congregation have been through hell
Look on the bright side, consider how many teenage girls have been spared. Is there any evidence of predatory homosexuality? It's not as if he's a Catholic priest. It is possible for those of us with a conscience, whether heterosexual or homosexual, not to take advantage of the young.
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I *think* Josh is just accusing the Pastor of hypocrisy rather than having it away with teenage boys. He [edit: the Pastor, not Josh!!!!!] will have been tub-thumping over homosexuality and how homosexuals are all going to hell. This is a particular bete noir of the evangelical churches. At least his conscience eventually lead him to do the decent thing, even if it is too late for the teens who committed suicide, it might prevent others from doing the same. I never got the whole anti-gay thing, even back when I was a church-goer. If you spend your time just reading the Old Testement it's pretty obviously negative, but the OT is exactly that, Old and intended for reference. The Gospels (as opposed to the New Testement) are all pretty much peace-love-be nice-treat you neighbour as yourself-forgiveness etc, and there is nothing written there that says Jesus said anything about the subject of homosexuality. If you move to the rest of the New Testement, Paul is pretty anti-gay, but Paul can't be considered 100% reliable.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:45 AM
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I *think* Josh is just accusing the Pastor of hypocrisy rather than having it away with teenage boys. He [edit: the Pastor, not Josh!!!!!] will have been tub-thumping over homosexuality and how homosexuals are all going to hell. This is a particular bete noir of the evangelical churches. At least his conscience eventually lead him to do the decent thing, even if it is too late for the teens who committed suicide, it might prevent others from doing the same. I never got the whole anti-gay thing, even back when I was a church-goer. If you spend your time just reading the Old Testement it's pretty obviously negative, but the OT is exactly that, Old and intended for reference. The Gospels (as opposed to the New Testement) are all pretty much peace-love-be nice-treat you neighbour as yourself-forgiveness etc, and there is nothing written there that says Jesus said anything about the subject of homosexuality. If you move to the rest of the New Testement, Paul is pretty anti-gay, but Paul can't be considered 100% reliable.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:45 AM
Jesus hung around with a lot of men in loose clothing. He spoke a lot about kissing and liked to have nights in with the lads. Jesus was gay!
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Jesus hung around with a lot of men in loose clothing. He spoke a lot about kissing and liked to have nights in with the lads. Jesus was gay!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
:omg: The bible doesn't mention discos, check your sources first! :laugh:
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:omg: The bible doesn't mention discos, check your sources first! :laugh:
Hang on, He was thrown out of a nightclub called "The Temple" (Probably named after Shirley Temple, and therefore a Gay Bar), for causing trouble, then was partying at a place called "The Garden of Gethsemene" (Upward gardening anyone?) where he was hanging about with his male chums. He didn't drink beer, like real men, he drank wine, probably rose, so you see, Jesus was Gay.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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Hang on, He was thrown out of a nightclub called "The Temple" (Probably named after Shirley Temple, and therefore a Gay Bar), for causing trouble, then was partying at a place called "The Garden of Gethsemene" (Upward gardening anyone?) where he was hanging about with his male chums. He didn't drink beer, like real men, he drank wine, probably rose, so you see, Jesus was Gay.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Wow, I didn't have you pegged as a theologian! :laugh:
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Wow, I didn't have you pegged as a theologian! :laugh:
I am a member of the Amalgamated Union of Philosophers, Sages, Luminaries and Other Professional Thinking Persons.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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I *think* Josh is just accusing the Pastor of hypocrisy rather than having it away with teenage boys. He [edit: the Pastor, not Josh!!!!!] will have been tub-thumping over homosexuality and how homosexuals are all going to hell. This is a particular bete noir of the evangelical churches. At least his conscience eventually lead him to do the decent thing, even if it is too late for the teens who committed suicide, it might prevent others from doing the same. I never got the whole anti-gay thing, even back when I was a church-goer. If you spend your time just reading the Old Testement it's pretty obviously negative, but the OT is exactly that, Old and intended for reference. The Gospels (as opposed to the New Testement) are all pretty much peace-love-be nice-treat you neighbour as yourself-forgiveness etc, and there is nothing written there that says Jesus said anything about the subject of homosexuality. If you move to the rest of the New Testement, Paul is pretty anti-gay, but Paul can't be considered 100% reliable.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:45 AM
Keith Barrow wrote:
I *think* Josh is just accusing the Pastor of hypocrisy rather than having it away with teenage boys. He [edit: the Pastor, not Josh!!!!!] will have been tub-thumping over homosexuality and how homosexuals are all going to hell. This is a particular bete noir of the evangelical churches. At least his conscience eventually lead him to do the decent thing, even if it is too late for the teens who committed suicide, it might prevent others from doing the same.
Thanks, you hit the nail on the head
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Keith Barrow wrote:
I *think* Josh is just accusing the Pastor of hypocrisy rather than having it away with teenage boys. He [edit: the Pastor, not Josh!!!!!] will have been tub-thumping over homosexuality and how homosexuals are all going to hell. This is a particular bete noir of the evangelical churches. At least his conscience eventually lead him to do the decent thing, even if it is too late for the teens who committed suicide, it might prevent others from doing the same.
Thanks, you hit the nail on the head
No probs. I had something similar happened to me once, one person misread a reply, had a go, then everyone assumed that this misreading was what I actually meant. I thought I'd try and nip this in the bud for you.
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Hang on, He was thrown out of a nightclub called "The Temple" (Probably named after Shirley Temple, and therefore a Gay Bar), for causing trouble, then was partying at a place called "The Garden of Gethsemene" (Upward gardening anyone?) where he was hanging about with his male chums. He didn't drink beer, like real men, he drank wine, probably rose, so you see, Jesus was Gay.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
He was thrown out of a nightclub called "The Temple" (Probably named after before Shirley Temple, and therefore a Gay Bar)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25568419/detail.html[^] I'm struck between it being a good thing and wondering what's made him think he could last this long living like this.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
I'm more wondering if the continued occurrence of megachurch pastors being gay just plays into the gay stereotype of being attention queens or not. Though I do feel sorry for his wife, 21 years of marriage trying to change the person she married. And he seems a decent enough guy if he's actually doing it for his stated reasons in the article, where as a I can pull a number of quotes from other church sources either condemning the gay men who committed suicide, and others actually promoting it as 'the right thing' for gay men.
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I am a member of the Amalgamated Union of Philosophers, Sages, Luminaries and Other Professional Thinking Persons.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Vroomfondel? Is that you?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Vroomfondel? Is that you?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25568419/detail.html[^] I'm struck between it being a good thing and wondering what's made him think he could last this long living like this.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
I got quite a good chuckle out of this. Oxymoron if I've ever seen one.
Article:
Real people experiencing a real God in the real world.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
I *think* Josh is just accusing the Pastor of hypocrisy rather than having it away with teenage boys. He [edit: the Pastor, not Josh!!!!!] will have been tub-thumping over homosexuality and how homosexuals are all going to hell. This is a particular bete noir of the evangelical churches. At least his conscience eventually lead him to do the decent thing, even if it is too late for the teens who committed suicide, it might prevent others from doing the same.
Thanks, you hit the nail on the head
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25568419/detail.html[^] I'm struck between it being a good thing and wondering what's made him think he could last this long living like this.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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My apology for having thought so basely of you. (Must stop reading the comments on blog sites.)
