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  • L Lost User

    And SA isn't even the worst part of Africa

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    Andy Brummer
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    Not even close. Some of the projects we help fund are things like http://www.dewormtheworld.org/[^]. The foundation's approach is to only fund projects that can make a measurable difference in people's lives rather then just dump money on a problem.

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    • K Keith Barrow

      The first time I read this, I was observing a 6th Form English class (not perving, well not much at any rate, part of my teacher training in an FE college). It depressed the hell out of me that they were all disgusted at it because they thought it was a real suggestion. I'd been enjoying a fortnightly dose of sarcasm courtesy of private eye since the age of 13 or so, and they couldn't work similar stuff out aged 18-21. Still, they were on an English course, so they couldn't have been that clever. Akin to a-level breathing, or BTec Sleep I suppose.

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      Keith Barrow wrote:

      Still, they were on an English course, so they couldn't have been that clever. Akin to a-level breathing

      I thought that was Media Studies? :laugh:

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        The first time I read this, I was observing a 6th Form English class (not perving, well not much at any rate, part of my teacher training in an FE college). It depressed the hell out of me that they were all disgusted at it because they thought it was a real suggestion. I'd been enjoying a fortnightly dose of sarcasm courtesy of private eye since the age of 13 or so, and they couldn't work similar stuff out aged 18-21. Still, they were on an English course, so they couldn't have been that clever. Akin to a-level breathing, or BTec Sleep I suppose.

        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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        Keith Barrow wrote:

        Still, they were on an English course, so they couldn't have been that clever. Akin to a-level breathing, or BTec Sleep I suppose.

        Bit like teacher training then. Akin to Envoronmental Studies, History of Art, or Sociology. ;P

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          Advocates say ending the cycle of poverty depends on putting farmland in the hands of blacks

          This is what has happened in Zimbabwe, with the result of causing massive starvation. As for the Cape, dont forget it was first settled by westerners, so its their land, the blakcs have no inherent rights at all. ...etc... Or they just prefer anal sex? Dont know. Anyway, seems a self limiting problem.

          "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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          fat_boy wrote:

          This is what has happened in Zimbabwe, with the result of causing massive starvation.

          Before 2000 land-owning farmers, mostly white, had large tracts of land and utilized economies of scale to raise capital, borrow money when necessary, and purchase modern mechanised farm equipment to increase productivity on their land. As the primary beneficiaries of the land reform were members of the Government and their families, despite the fact that most had no experience in running a farm, the drop in total farm output has been tremendous and has even produced starvation and famine, according to aid agencies.[17] Mostly crops for export have suffered severely, e.g. Zimbabwe was the world's 6th largest producers of Tobacco in 2001.[18] It produces nowadays less than 1/3 of the amount produced in 2000,[19] the lowest amount in 50 years.[20] Zimbabwe was once so rich in agricultural produce that it was dubbed the "bread basket" of Southern Africa, while it is now struggling to feed its own population. About 45 percent of the population is considered malnourished. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe[^] The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.

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          As for the Cape, dont forget it was first settled by westerners, so its their land, the blakcs have no inherent rights at all.

          complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen[^]

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            Keith Barrow wrote:

            Still, they were on an English course, so they couldn't have been that clever. Akin to a-level breathing, or BTec Sleep I suppose.

            Bit like teacher training then. Akin to Envoronmental Studies, History of Art, or Sociology. ;P

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            Bit like teacher training then.

            Truer than you'd believe. I left teaching after one year because of the two problems: the kids; the teachers. Still don't know which was worse, at least the kids were supposed to behave like kids, not sure what the teacher's excuse was.

            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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              ict558 wrote:

              Bit like teacher training then.

              Truer than you'd believe. I left teaching after one year because of the two problems: the kids; the teachers. Still don't know which was worse, at least the kids were supposed to behave like kids, not sure what the teacher's excuse was.

              Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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              Keith Barrow wrote:

              not sure what the teacher's excuse was.

              :)

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                Stop helping them. The population will stabilize on a size at which it is capable of growing/gathering enough food for itself. Maybe that size is zero, I doubt it, but if it is, so be it. In fact, maybe allow them to be hunted in certain areas (and only a limited number each year). This works for deer and wild boar so why not Africans? Problem solved. As a bonus, we would waste less tax money on them.

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                Feed The World[^] May be this video will help you to come up with better Strategy!

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                  Feed The World[^] May be this video will help you to come up with better Strategy!

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                  Wow. I watched through it .. I guess that means you won. If your goal was to waste my time, anyway. My strategy still looks good from here.

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                    He is too ignorant to understand, he just wants people to be punished for anything and everything because thats what he learned in school.

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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    he learned in school

                    I have learned better than you and i dont have to justify myself to you .

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                      fat_boy wrote:

                      This is what has happened in Zimbabwe, with the result of causing massive starvation.

                      Before 2000 land-owning farmers, mostly white, had large tracts of land and utilized economies of scale to raise capital, borrow money when necessary, and purchase modern mechanised farm equipment to increase productivity on their land. As the primary beneficiaries of the land reform were members of the Government and their families, despite the fact that most had no experience in running a farm, the drop in total farm output has been tremendous and has even produced starvation and famine, according to aid agencies.[17] Mostly crops for export have suffered severely, e.g. Zimbabwe was the world's 6th largest producers of Tobacco in 2001.[18] It produces nowadays less than 1/3 of the amount produced in 2000,[19] the lowest amount in 50 years.[20] Zimbabwe was once so rich in agricultural produce that it was dubbed the "bread basket" of Southern Africa, while it is now struggling to feed its own population. About 45 percent of the population is considered malnourished. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe[^] The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.

                      fat_boy wrote:

                      As for the Cape, dont forget it was first settled by westerners, so its their land, the blakcs have no inherent rights at all.

                      complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen[^]

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                      pseudonym67 wrote:

                      The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.

                      Yes, thats partly the reason for the complete and utter collapse of agriculture in Zimbabwe. But there is more. The lazyness of the blacks, their disorganisaiton, their lack of ambition. If you think I am being racist, then you are wrong. This is the reality.

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                      complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there.

                      You know my father is actually south african. Let me tell you that prior to the war with the Zulu tribe, led by Shaka, the Xhosa lived far to the north. They were displaced to the south by the Zulu into the land allready settled by westerners. And in fact the intertribal tension between these two tribes is still present and still a problem. Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.

                      "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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                        pseudonym67 wrote:

                        The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.

                        Yes, thats partly the reason for the complete and utter collapse of agriculture in Zimbabwe. But there is more. The lazyness of the blacks, their disorganisaiton, their lack of ambition. If you think I am being racist, then you are wrong. This is the reality.

                        pseudonym67 wrote:

                        complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there.

                        You know my father is actually south african. Let me tell you that prior to the war with the Zulu tribe, led by Shaka, the Xhosa lived far to the north. They were displaced to the south by the Zulu into the land allready settled by westerners. And in fact the intertribal tension between these two tribes is still present and still a problem. Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.

                        "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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                        fat_boy wrote:

                        Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.

                        From 1870 the Wilhelm Bleek and Lucy Llyod both of trained linguists interviewed the san in the cape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Lloyd[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bleek[^] The San have always been there.

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                          fat_boy wrote:

                          Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.

                          From 1870 the Wilhelm Bleek and Lucy Llyod both of trained linguists interviewed the san in the cape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Lloyd[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bleek[^] The San have always been there.

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                          And the Dutch were there since 1650. And before them the Portuguese. LIke I said, the Cape was empty, unsettled. Yes there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte in the Cape. Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed in the article llinked to is invalid.

                          "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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                            And the Dutch were there since 1650. And before them the Portuguese. LIke I said, the Cape was empty, unsettled. Yes there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte in the Cape. Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed in the article llinked to is invalid.

                            "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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                            fat_boy wrote:

                            there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte

                            You do understand what nomadic means I take it. Because if you do you will know that all nomadic peoples have migratory patterns, settling usually in certain areas in certain seasons. They do this to follow game, get water, harvest naturally growing plants etc.

                            fat_boy wrote:

                            Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed

                            So basically because they didn't live the way you think they should live they have no human rights at all. They lived off the land as they had done long before the whites got there, land that was their's by all rights. Oh and dont you think its odd that seeing as they werent there they painted all over the rocks http://www.aroundthecape.co.za/san.html[^] http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/rari/bushman.php[^] "The name ‘bushman’, or in Dutch, Boschjesmans, was first used as early as 1652 by Dutch settlers to describe the hunter-gatherers they met when they first arrived at the Cape." maybe next time you're there with your dad you can go on a tour.

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                            • I Ian Shlasko

                              I think he was being sarcastic, wolf :) Well, maybe "sarcastic" isn't the right word... But come on... Did you really think he was serious? He's making fun of CSS

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                              With the tirade against his ex how can one tell. He called everyone a moralfag after that. If that's the case then I retract.

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                                Sir, you need a new seriousness sensor. http://www.copypasta.info/2010/02/origin-of-niggers.html[^]

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                                With all the whacked out crap that gets posted back here you can understand how someone could mistake your post for what you really think. Your tirade about your ex is what made me think you thought this. But I retract my previous statements then.

                                That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                                  With all the whacked out crap that gets posted back here you can understand how someone could mistake your post for what you really think. Your tirade about your ex is what made me think you thought this. But I retract my previous statements then.

                                  That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                                  Then, let me ask.. what made you think that was real?

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                                    fat_boy wrote:

                                    there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte

                                    You do understand what nomadic means I take it. Because if you do you will know that all nomadic peoples have migratory patterns, settling usually in certain areas in certain seasons. They do this to follow game, get water, harvest naturally growing plants etc.

                                    fat_boy wrote:

                                    Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed

                                    So basically because they didn't live the way you think they should live they have no human rights at all. They lived off the land as they had done long before the whites got there, land that was their's by all rights. Oh and dont you think its odd that seeing as they werent there they painted all over the rocks http://www.aroundthecape.co.za/san.html[^] http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/rari/bushman.php[^] "The name ‘bushman’, or in Dutch, Boschjesmans, was first used as early as 1652 by Dutch settlers to describe the hunter-gatherers they met when they first arrived at the Cape." maybe next time you're there with your dad you can go on a tour.

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                                    Precisely, they werent farming the land. SO, whats the point giving it back to them now, even if they had a valid claim?

                                    "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

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                                      fat_boy wrote:

                                      there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte

                                      You do understand what nomadic means I take it. Because if you do you will know that all nomadic peoples have migratory patterns, settling usually in certain areas in certain seasons. They do this to follow game, get water, harvest naturally growing plants etc.

                                      fat_boy wrote:

                                      Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed

                                      So basically because they didn't live the way you think they should live they have no human rights at all. They lived off the land as they had done long before the whites got there, land that was their's by all rights. Oh and dont you think its odd that seeing as they werent there they painted all over the rocks http://www.aroundthecape.co.za/san.html[^] http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/rari/bushman.php[^] "The name ‘bushman’, or in Dutch, Boschjesmans, was first used as early as 1652 by Dutch settlers to describe the hunter-gatherers they met when they first arrived at the Cape." maybe next time you're there with your dad you can go on a tour.

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                                      pseudonym67 wrote:

                                      they painted all over the rocks

                                      Painted rocks are not flags[^].

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                                      • C chethu665

                                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                        he learned in school

                                        I have learned better than you and i dont have to justify myself to you .

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                                        chethu665 wrote:

                                        I have learned better than you

                                        I can tell. They must have taken the brain fucking up a few levels since I graduated from my Government Indoctrination Center.

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                                          chethu665 wrote:

                                          I have learned better than you

                                          I can tell. They must have taken the brain fucking up a few levels since I graduated from my Government Indoctrination Center.

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                                          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                          When I was a teenager, I would balk at the idea that there were bad people in the world, and I thought the government was a nice institution that was full of good professional people that were there to take care of everyone and protect us. I developed this mindset after many years in the government training centers. They and the media instilled in me a fear of those who would dare to speak out against authority because those who spoke out were the bad guys.

                                          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                          They must have taken the brain f***ing up a few levels since I graduated from my Government Indoctrination Center.

                                          No. No-one could improve on the perfect sheep you were: and, indeed, remain.

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