A solution to the African hunger problem.
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fat_boy wrote:
This is what has happened in Zimbabwe, with the result of causing massive starvation.
Before 2000 land-owning farmers, mostly white, had large tracts of land and utilized economies of scale to raise capital, borrow money when necessary, and purchase modern mechanised farm equipment to increase productivity on their land. As the primary beneficiaries of the land reform were members of the Government and their families, despite the fact that most had no experience in running a farm, the drop in total farm output has been tremendous and has even produced starvation and famine, according to aid agencies.[17] Mostly crops for export have suffered severely, e.g. Zimbabwe was the world's 6th largest producers of Tobacco in 2001.[18] It produces nowadays less than 1/3 of the amount produced in 2000,[19] the lowest amount in 50 years.[20] Zimbabwe was once so rich in agricultural produce that it was dubbed the "bread basket" of Southern Africa, while it is now struggling to feed its own population. About 45 percent of the population is considered malnourished. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe[^] The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.
fat_boy wrote:
As for the Cape, dont forget it was first settled by westerners, so its their land, the blakcs have no inherent rights at all.
complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen[^]
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pseudonym67 wrote:
The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.
Yes, thats partly the reason for the complete and utter collapse of agriculture in Zimbabwe. But there is more. The lazyness of the blacks, their disorganisaiton, their lack of ambition. If you think I am being racist, then you are wrong. This is the reality.
pseudonym67 wrote:
complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there.
You know my father is actually south african. Let me tell you that prior to the war with the Zulu tribe, led by Shaka, the Xhosa lived far to the north. They were displaced to the south by the Zulu into the land allready settled by westerners. And in fact the intertribal tension between these two tribes is still present and still a problem. Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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pseudonym67 wrote:
The starvation in Zimbabwe is due to the politically/militarily powerful giving land to the their supporters who have no interest or knowledge of farming.
Yes, thats partly the reason for the complete and utter collapse of agriculture in Zimbabwe. But there is more. The lazyness of the blacks, their disorganisaiton, their lack of ambition. If you think I am being racist, then you are wrong. This is the reality.
pseudonym67 wrote:
complete and utter nonsense. What do you think the tribes were doing? Do you think they had SA fenced off for thousands of years sign posts stating DO NOT ENTER WAITING FOR WHITEY TO DISCOVER THIS LAND. The San were there long before the whites got there.
You know my father is actually south african. Let me tell you that prior to the war with the Zulu tribe, led by Shaka, the Xhosa lived far to the north. They were displaced to the south by the Zulu into the land allready settled by westerners. And in fact the intertribal tension between these two tribes is still present and still a problem. Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.
From 1870 the Wilhelm Bleek and Lucy Llyod both of trained linguists interviewed the san in the cape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Lloyd[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bleek[^] The San have always been there.
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fat_boy wrote:
Oh, and yes, there were tribes in SOuth Africa, but I am talking about the Cape as did the article originally linked to.
From 1870 the Wilhelm Bleek and Lucy Llyod both of trained linguists interviewed the san in the cape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Lloyd[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bleek[^] The San have always been there.
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And the Dutch were there since 1650. And before them the Portuguese. LIke I said, the Cape was empty, unsettled. Yes there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte in the Cape. Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed in the article llinked to is invalid.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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And the Dutch were there since 1650. And before them the Portuguese. LIke I said, the Cape was empty, unsettled. Yes there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte in the Cape. Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed in the article llinked to is invalid.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte
You do understand what nomadic means I take it. Because if you do you will know that all nomadic peoples have migratory patterns, settling usually in certain areas in certain seasons. They do this to follow game, get water, harvest naturally growing plants etc.
fat_boy wrote:
Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed
So basically because they didn't live the way you think they should live they have no human rights at all. They lived off the land as they had done long before the whites got there, land that was their's by all rights. Oh and dont you think its odd that seeing as they werent there they painted all over the rocks http://www.aroundthecape.co.za/san.html[^] http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/rari/bushman.php[^] "The name ‘bushman’, or in Dutch, Boschjesmans, was first used as early as 1652 by Dutch settlers to describe the hunter-gatherers they met when they first arrived at the Cape." maybe next time you're there with your dad you can go on a tour.
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I think he was being sarcastic, wolf :) Well, maybe "sarcastic" isn't the right word... But come on... Did you really think he was serious? He's making fun of CSS
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)With the tirade against his ex how can one tell. He called everyone a moralfag after that. If that's the case then I retract.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Sir, you need a new seriousness sensor. http://www.copypasta.info/2010/02/origin-of-niggers.html[^]
With all the whacked out crap that gets posted back here you can understand how someone could mistake your post for what you really think. Your tirade about your ex is what made me think you thought this. But I retract my previous statements then.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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With all the whacked out crap that gets posted back here you can understand how someone could mistake your post for what you really think. Your tirade about your ex is what made me think you thought this. But I retract my previous statements then.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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fat_boy wrote:
there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte
You do understand what nomadic means I take it. Because if you do you will know that all nomadic peoples have migratory patterns, settling usually in certain areas in certain seasons. They do this to follow game, get water, harvest naturally growing plants etc.
fat_boy wrote:
Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed
So basically because they didn't live the way you think they should live they have no human rights at all. They lived off the land as they had done long before the whites got there, land that was their's by all rights. Oh and dont you think its odd that seeing as they werent there they painted all over the rocks http://www.aroundthecape.co.za/san.html[^] http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/rari/bushman.php[^] "The name ‘bushman’, or in Dutch, Boschjesmans, was first used as early as 1652 by Dutch settlers to describe the hunter-gatherers they met when they first arrived at the Cape." maybe next time you're there with your dad you can go on a tour.
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Precisely, they werent farming the land. SO, whats the point giving it back to them now, even if they had a valid claim?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
there were nomadic tribes of bush men who lived in what is todat SOuth Africa, but they werent permenant inhabitants and didnt settlte
You do understand what nomadic means I take it. Because if you do you will know that all nomadic peoples have migratory patterns, settling usually in certain areas in certain seasons. They do this to follow game, get water, harvest naturally growing plants etc.
fat_boy wrote:
Therefore they had no claim iver the land, because they werent in any way farming it, and therefore the sentiment expressed
So basically because they didn't live the way you think they should live they have no human rights at all. They lived off the land as they had done long before the whites got there, land that was their's by all rights. Oh and dont you think its odd that seeing as they werent there they painted all over the rocks http://www.aroundthecape.co.za/san.html[^] http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/rari/bushman.php[^] "The name ‘bushman’, or in Dutch, Boschjesmans, was first used as early as 1652 by Dutch settlers to describe the hunter-gatherers they met when they first arrived at the Cape." maybe next time you're there with your dad you can go on a tour.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
he learned in school
I have learned better than you and i dont have to justify myself to you .
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chethu665 wrote:
I have learned better than you
I can tell. They must have taken the brain fucking up a few levels since I graduated from my Government Indoctrination Center.
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chethu665 wrote:
I have learned better than you
I can tell. They must have taken the brain fucking up a few levels since I graduated from my Government Indoctrination Center.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
When I was a teenager, I would balk at the idea that there were bad people in the world, and I thought the government was a nice institution that was full of good professional people that were there to take care of everyone and protect us. I developed this mindset after many years in the government training centers. They and the media instilled in me a fear of those who would dare to speak out against authority because those who spoke out were the bad guys.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They must have taken the brain f***ing up a few levels since I graduated from my Government Indoctrination Center.
No. No-one could improve on the perfect sheep you were: and, indeed, remain.