More about God....
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David Stone wrote: "And which religion is good for God?" Exactly. Heaven will not be fully multi denominational. Maybe northern baptists will be accepted and southern's not accepted. Even denominations may be divided by parishes depending on sermons recieved. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Maybe northern baptists will be accepted and southern's not accepted. Didn't you see South Park? The Mormons got it right. ;P Jon Sagara If you think of wheat fields as questionable metaphors, you can think of me as the state of Kansas. -- Mike Blaszczak
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Colin Davies wrote: Maybe northern baptists will be accepted and southern's not accepted. Didn't you see South Park? The Mormons got it right. ;P Jon Sagara If you think of wheat fields as questionable metaphors, you can think of me as the state of Kansas. -- Mike Blaszczak
Jon Sagara wrote: Didn't you see South Park? The Mormons got it right. The MORMONS ??? Geez God must have gone looney !! :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Colin Davies wrote: Maybe northern baptists will be accepted and southern's not accepted. Didn't you see South Park? The Mormons got it right. ;P Jon Sagara If you think of wheat fields as questionable metaphors, you can think of me as the state of Kansas. -- Mike Blaszczak
Jon Sagara wrote: The Mormons got it right. But they got the spelling wrong. It's obvious it was meant to be spelled 'morons'.
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Ooh, good post, Christian! It's funny to me that so many people seem to think that geeks are nontheistic (don't bother looking it up - I think I just fabricated it). At great personal risk of ridicule I'll reveal a bit of my own beliefs, only because I respect your learning, wisdom, and self-restraint. Imagine, for a moment, a God who created all things, who brought order into the maelstrom by His will, and with it brought a set of laws of existence which all sentient beings (who by His design have the power to influence His creation by virtue of being created in His image). Through the eons He sent avatars to teach and explain how the laws of His Universe work, but few were willing to listen. He isn't a petulant, narcissistic God who craves the adulation of His creations, but He does wish them to respect the laws on which He based His creation, and He tries His utmost to explain them to His creations. Because His children are divided by space and culture, He has to deliver this information by varied routes, through many avatars. To the Jews He sends Moses, and Moses dutifully delivers a message consistent with the mindset of the time, in the form of rigid laws that even the Pharisees will accept - the commandments. They are but a codified representation of those acts and deeds that are inconsistent with the laws upon which He built His Universe. Those who transgress will set themselves apart from His creation - an act of free will, but one which leads to what we might call Hell, an eternal separation from our Creator. To those who are willing to listen He sends an alternative. Through Jesus He sends a message for those willing to hear it - "I love my children, and if you will but truly regret your transgressions - repent - I will grant you grace." Still, it is the same message that He sent through Moses - live by the laws of My universe and you will prosper. Live outside of them, and you will never again see Me. Again to the Muslims, He sends a message and a set of laws for them to obey in order to be consistent with the rules by which the universe works. According to my copy of the Koran, He instructs them to (paraphrasing) "Leave the infidels to Me - mind your own relationship with Me. Concern yourself with Our relationship - I'll worry about them." The American Indian tribes venerate a Great Spirit - World Maker - who's laws and traditions must be respected for right living. All of these traditions, and more that I cannot recall, have a common thread. That is that God is, that
Roger Wright wrote: Nowhere in these messages from God (or Allah, or Yahweh, or any other name you'd care to quote) do such trivial items exist as "Dancing is wrong", "Meat should not be eaten on Friday," "Wiping your ass with the same hand you used to partake of dinner is evil." These, and all the other trivial discriminatorial distinctions made by churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples around the world are the inventions of Man, not God. I'm not sure I agree with all of this post, but this bit is certainly true - the 'churches' seem to spend a lot of time talking about trivial things. Jesus called it straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Over the past day, much discussion has ensued about Islam, and differing religions. The common theme often seems to be 'why can't religious people all just agree' ? Someone posted something like 'Catholics and Protestants disagree on 1% of the Bible, so why do they focus on that ?' Well, the Irish troubles have religion as a focus, but really started because the English became Protestant so that a king could remarry, the Irish remained Catholic, and the Protestants in the fight represent English settlers sent in to dispossess the Irish. So it's really territorial, although with the passage of time it does not seem to be valid on that front. Anyhow, my point is this. If there is indeed a God at ALL, it seems to me that He would have an opinion. Surely anyone who suggests that Protestants should both not worship Mary, and accept the religion of those who do, seem to me to be promoting athiesm. The only level on which we are free to invent whatever God suits us, is the level at which we say He does not exist and therefore has no say. I am strongly in favour of freedom of religion, and strongly against any form of bigotry, but while I would never attack anyone for their beliefs, I'd also feel that unless I was willing to tell them politely that I disagree, I am in fact saying I have no opinion at all, or that I believe religion is just a fairy tale, so it doesn't matter which story you prefer. So long as religion is just a vehicle for people to be nice to each other, that may be true, but if there is a God, then it just isn't the case. Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said...... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: and the Protestants in the fight represent English settlers sent in to dispossess the Irish. So it's really territorial, although with the passage of time it does not seem to be valid on that front. That is absolutely correct. Although, I would point out that almost all of the actual settlers were not English, they were Scots. And as Scots, they were the descendents of people who, a few centuries before, had claimed that very part of Ireland as their homeland, only to have it "stolen" from them by Clan O'Neal. So the territorial disputes go far back before the Tudor English to a time when there were no religious differences at all. (But maybe thats just something I saw in a movie somewhwere;P) "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: My apologies. My GOD did ask me to share so I do. I share my faith when I get the chance. I just get upset when people cop out of the discussion with that relativistic phrase.
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder
David Stone wrote: I just get upset when people cop out of the discussion with that relativistic phrase. And I get mad at those who cheaply misquote others, as you have just blatantly done. Do you know what a comma vs a period means? Apparently not! The sentence was "Yes I really get mad at times and do not hold my tongue, My apologies." I made no statement of my sharing other than I do. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Roger Wright wrote: Nowhere in these messages from God (or Allah, or Yahweh, or any other name you'd care to quote) do such trivial items exist as "Dancing is wrong", "Meat should not be eaten on Friday," "Wiping your ass with the same hand you used to partake of dinner is evil." These, and all the other trivial discriminatorial distinctions made by churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples around the world are the inventions of Man, not God. I'm not sure I agree with all of this post, but this bit is certainly true - the 'churches' seem to spend a lot of time talking about trivial things. Jesus called it straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Jesus called it straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. That phrase was running through my head when I was posting, but I couldn't recall whether Jesus said it, or some later pundit. A very apt description! "When in danger, fear, or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Lorelei and Lapis Lazuli Long
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The same power runs both ways. You can heal and make people ill with it. I'm sure all this "smoking causes cancer" nonsense is actually causing more cancer via suggestion. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: The same power runs both ways. You can heal and make people ill with it. Well, I would say that to make someone ill through (for want of a better phrase) paranormal means is very, very different from the power of prayer. I couldn't ever accept that prayer could be used in this way - to do so would destroy my Faith utterly. Colin Davies wrote: I'm sure all this "smoking causes cancer" nonsense is actually causing more cancer via suggestion. I couldn't disagree more...I've seen the long term effects of smoking firsthand on my grandfather and one of my aunts. What I would say is that as in all things medical, the effects vary widely between individuals and aren't particularly predictable on a case by case basis. I certainly don't feel any urge to take up the habit (though I wouldn't condemn anyone who did)...the only thing I ask is the freedom to enjoy a smoke free environment when travelling, eating out etc. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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I disagree, Its a sin to worship a false god. Unfortunatly to many people worry about going to hell. Lets face it some will go and others won't. Those that do go to hell will probably meet up with a lot of old friends anyhow, so it probably isn't that bad. Although Heaven obviously will be a lot nicer. I hope I'm not too lonely there. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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That's not what I said. I believe that everyone will have to give an account before God...by themselves. I'm just saying that, assuming everyone in a denomination/religion truly subscribes to it's belief set, then you can deal with a religion as a whole, not by it's constituents. Having said that, I will clarify what I meant earlier. I'm saying that: If God exists And Religion is based on God Then God must decide what is the "true" religion. Hence, Which religion is right for God is a valid statement. Because that would be the true religion. Saying "Your religion is right for you..." is relativism, which defies an absolute truth.
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder
David Stone wrote: Because that would be the true religion. Saying "Your religion is right for you..." is relativism, which defies an absolute truth. But every single religion says all the others are wrong and the followers of those other religions will all not be saved. Who's right? If everyone says everyone else is wrong, then maybe everybody is wrong. Two people cannot both be right, but certainly more than one person can be wrong. Food for thought. Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine
