TSA still can't find $h*t with both hands and an X-Ray machine
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So I'm about to go on my honeymoon and so I've been watching all this TSA crap and I came across this today. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023820-71.html[^] It caught my eye for two reasons. I like Mythbusters and it is TSA related. I wish they'd scale all this crap back to a reasonable amount, hire some more people and do the interviews that work for Israel. Not going to happen but that's my rant. No is safer, but some feel safer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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So I'm about to go on my honeymoon and so I've been watching all this TSA crap and I came across this today. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023820-71.html[^] It caught my eye for two reasons. I like Mythbusters and it is TSA related. I wish they'd scale all this crap back to a reasonable amount, hire some more people and do the interviews that work for Israel. Not going to happen but that's my rant. No is safer, but some feel safer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
They are too busy feeling you up and down, and looking at your naked body.
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So I'm about to go on my honeymoon and so I've been watching all this TSA crap and I came across this today. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023820-71.html[^] It caught my eye for two reasons. I like Mythbusters and it is TSA related. I wish they'd scale all this crap back to a reasonable amount, hire some more people and do the interviews that work for Israel. Not going to happen but that's my rant. No is safer, but some feel safer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
US courts have repeatedly ruled that profiling is unconstitutional. That's why we can't do what Israel does. Even Libertarian* Congressman Ron Paul has said he would vote against any kind of profiling law. *I know, he's technically a Republican, but even so...
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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US courts have repeatedly ruled that profiling is unconstitutional. That's why we can't do what Israel does. Even Libertarian* Congressman Ron Paul has said he would vote against any kind of profiling law. *I know, he's technically a Republican, but even so...
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Not the same thing... Profiling, aside from being unconstitutional, is useless... If the terrorists can figure out what the profile is, they can just avoid it. If the TSA is checking people with one-way tickets, buy a round trip... If they're checking people with beards, shave... Obviously that's simplified, but you get the point. What the Israelis do is completely different. Instead of just using machines to check people, they essentially have well-trained screening people who will ask you questions and carefully observe how you respond... We're talking police/FBI interrogation techniques, in that they'll look for visual cues, listen for changes in voice, etc. Then, if they decide you might be hiding something, they'll send you for a full pat-down (Which I've heard is MUCH more severe than our "enhanced" ones). The trick is that the TSA doesn't shell out the cash to pay for those kinds of people... Untrained high-school grads and machines are cheaper. (For the record, I think the X-ray body scanners should be taken apart, and their larger pieces used to soundly thrash the designers who have forgotten that X-ray radiation is harmful to the human body, and should only be used by trained medical technicians to better identify more serious problems)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Not the same thing... Profiling, aside from being unconstitutional, is useless... If the terrorists can figure out what the profile is, they can just avoid it. If the TSA is checking people with one-way tickets, buy a round trip... If they're checking people with beards, shave... Obviously that's simplified, but you get the point. What the Israelis do is completely different. Instead of just using machines to check people, they essentially have well-trained screening people who will ask you questions and carefully observe how you respond... We're talking police/FBI interrogation techniques, in that they'll look for visual cues, listen for changes in voice, etc. Then, if they decide you might be hiding something, they'll send you for a full pat-down (Which I've heard is MUCH more severe than our "enhanced" ones). The trick is that the TSA doesn't shell out the cash to pay for those kinds of people... Untrained high-school grads and machines are cheaper. (For the record, I think the X-ray body scanners should be taken apart, and their larger pieces used to soundly thrash the designers who have forgotten that X-ray radiation is harmful to the human body, and should only be used by trained medical technicians to better identify more serious problems)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Aha. I didn't realize all that.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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US courts have repeatedly ruled that profiling is unconstitutional. That's why we can't do what Israel does. Even Libertarian* Congressman Ron Paul has said he would vote against any kind of profiling law. *I know, he's technically a Republican, but even so...
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
It isn't profiling to question all passengers before they get on the plane. I haven't seen anything against behavior profiling being struck down in any Google search. Even if it isn't used. The scans, pat downs, or anything else they've recently come up with will catch or detect the next 9-11 hijacker. If a mythbuster can get a knife through then so can you and I. That's not any safer. The solutions come to hiring and training people well before they get to the air port. Since the printer cartridge incident no cartridge > 16 oz can be shipped in. It is a combination of political and security theater. Besides I don't look to Ron Paul for guidance on the constitution. I can read it myself. He's just a politician.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Aha. I didn't realize all that.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
:) That argument and counter have been going around on all of the blog sites reporting on this. People have been oversimplifying and misinterpreting things, so a lot of folks are thinking "Israeilis = Profiling = Better", when it's quite different.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Not the same thing... Profiling, aside from being unconstitutional, is useless... If the terrorists can figure out what the profile is, they can just avoid it. If the TSA is checking people with one-way tickets, buy a round trip... If they're checking people with beards, shave... Obviously that's simplified, but you get the point. What the Israelis do is completely different. Instead of just using machines to check people, they essentially have well-trained screening people who will ask you questions and carefully observe how you respond... We're talking police/FBI interrogation techniques, in that they'll look for visual cues, listen for changes in voice, etc. Then, if they decide you might be hiding something, they'll send you for a full pat-down (Which I've heard is MUCH more severe than our "enhanced" ones). The trick is that the TSA doesn't shell out the cash to pay for those kinds of people... Untrained high-school grads and machines are cheaper. (For the record, I think the X-ray body scanners should be taken apart, and their larger pieces used to soundly thrash the designers who have forgotten that X-ray radiation is harmful to the human body, and should only be used by trained medical technicians to better identify more serious problems)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
(For the record, I think the X-ray body scanners should be taken apart, and their larger pieces used to soundly thrash the designers who have forgotten that X-ray radiation is harmful to the human body, and should only be used by trained medical technicians to better identify more serious problems)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You got to the crux of it faster than I did.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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It isn't profiling to question all passengers before they get on the plane. I haven't seen anything against behavior profiling being struck down in any Google search. Even if it isn't used. The scans, pat downs, or anything else they've recently come up with will catch or detect the next 9-11 hijacker. If a mythbuster can get a knife through then so can you and I. That's not any safer. The solutions come to hiring and training people well before they get to the air port. Since the printer cartridge incident no cartridge > 16 oz can be shipped in. It is a combination of political and security theater. Besides I don't look to Ron Paul for guidance on the constitution. I can read it myself. He's just a politician.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Yes I agree that behavioral profiling is different from racial profiling.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Yes I agree that behavioral profiling is different from racial profiling.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
This is all I've found on behavior profiling in the courts. http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/02oct/POLI.htm[^]
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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So I'm about to go on my honeymoon and so I've been watching all this TSA crap and I came across this today. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023820-71.html[^] It caught my eye for two reasons. I like Mythbusters and it is TSA related. I wish they'd scale all this crap back to a reasonable amount, hire some more people and do the interviews that work for Israel. Not going to happen but that's my rant. No is safer, but some feel safer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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You know... I haven't flown in 15 years. If I can't get there by car or boat, I ain't goin'. ;)
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Not all of us have that kind of time... I live in NYC... Parents live in Florida... Do I spend 5 hours flying (Including time in the airport), 24 hours on a train, or 2 days in a rental car?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Not all of us have that kind of time... I live in NYC... Parents live in Florida... Do I spend 5 hours flying (Including time in the airport), 24 hours on a train, or 2 days in a rental car?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)From Cheyenne, I traveled on business to southern Ca., the SF Bay area, the Dakotas, and as far east as Pennsylvania. All by car. I'll drive pretty long shifts. I really enjoy traveling by car, especially in the West. The scenery is awesome. :thumbsup: :cool:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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From Cheyenne, I traveled on business to southern Ca., the SF Bay area, the Dakotas, and as far east as Pennsylvania. All by car. I'll drive pretty long shifts. I really enjoy traveling by car, especially in the West. The scenery is awesome. :thumbsup: :cool:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Ian only believes in mass transport because he is a climate cultist.
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They are too busy feeling you up and down, and looking at your naked body.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
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So I'm about to go on my honeymoon and so I've been watching all this TSA crap and I came across this today. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023820-71.html[^] It caught my eye for two reasons. I like Mythbusters and it is TSA related. I wish they'd scale all this crap back to a reasonable amount, hire some more people and do the interviews that work for Israel. Not going to happen but that's my rant. No is safer, but some feel safer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Backscatter scanners are easy to fool if you work at it - that's why Isreal doesn't use them. They take the focus away from better techniques which mean spending money on people instead of a firm which employs the ex-head of the TSA as a lobbyist.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
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Not the same thing... Profiling, aside from being unconstitutional, is useless... If the terrorists can figure out what the profile is, they can just avoid it. If the TSA is checking people with one-way tickets, buy a round trip... If they're checking people with beards, shave... Obviously that's simplified, but you get the point. What the Israelis do is completely different. Instead of just using machines to check people, they essentially have well-trained screening people who will ask you questions and carefully observe how you respond... We're talking police/FBI interrogation techniques, in that they'll look for visual cues, listen for changes in voice, etc. Then, if they decide you might be hiding something, they'll send you for a full pat-down (Which I've heard is MUCH more severe than our "enhanced" ones). The trick is that the TSA doesn't shell out the cash to pay for those kinds of people... Untrained high-school grads and machines are cheaper. (For the record, I think the X-ray body scanners should be taken apart, and their larger pieces used to soundly thrash the designers who have forgotten that X-ray radiation is harmful to the human body, and should only be used by trained medical technicians to better identify more serious problems)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Backscatter scanners are easy to fool if you work at it - that's why Isreal doesn't use them. They take the focus away from better techniques which mean spending money on people instead of a firm which employs the ex-head of the TSA as a lobbyist.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
I know I know. What I'd like to know is when does the general public say enough. CSS is right about one thing people are pretty much sheep. He expects outrage, but yet there isn't any. The public is so busy scrabbling around looking for its next scrap of a job just to survive. Things will have to get much worse before they get any better. There's still too much complacency. Can you imagine how long the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts would have lasted if the government had instituted the draft, created a surtax to pay for it and all of that? Not very long at all. For one Ian and I most likely wouldn't be here now to write posts on this site. We're of the draft age, I think.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
