Muslims are like Americans
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Stan Shannon wrote: but I can think of only one that portrayed Arabs as terrorists. That was "True Lies" with Arnold S. How many can you name? Sorry what I meant was when a movie does include Americans and Arabs (who tend to be grouped as Islamic) then invariably the American is the hero and the Islamic the terrorist. I have never seen a movie with good Arabs in it... except for Lawrence of Arabia and well there were good and bad Arabs there. I totally agree that many other groups have been picked as the bad guy more often. Nazis, Russians, Eastern Europeans, South Africans (ok, ok, so we are only ever the hench-man, but still.) However once this period in our history has passed, and we all still exist, you can bet your bottom dollar that Islamic Terrorists will be the numero uno bad guys. It is only a matter of time before someone makes The Day The Towers Fell, or What Floor Were You On? Stan Shannon wrote: And the good guys are often as likely to be British (James Bond) as American. LOL sorry man but that is funny. 90% of movies are American, at least here, and invariably involve the Righteous Wonderful Americans vs. The Evil Heathen Non-American Bad Guy. Brit heros get in about 1% of the time and that is almost always Bond. Even when a movie made by America is supposedly about some British story the hero is, through whatever means, an American. I don't actually mind. I don't need to feel special through having my countrymen portrayed as heros. I like American movies, got a lot of feel-good to them :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: I like American movies, got a lot of feel-good to them The funny thing is that most American's have a very negative view of Hollywood. To me, Hollywood panders to a more Euro-centric world view than it does a more traditional American world view. That's why every time a Republican wins the Whitehouse, half the celebs in Hollywood move to Europe. I can assure you that the Hollywood elite have a very low opinion of their fellow American's. I usually leave the theater a little miffed at how some aspect of American life was portrayed. Maybe that explains why I seldom go. I guess the last "American Hero" style movie I saw was "Patriot" with Mel Gibson. Most movies out lately have been the Star Wars, Harry Potter and similar genre which certainly do not have "American" themes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Paul Watson wrote: I like American movies, got a lot of feel-good to them The funny thing is that most American's have a very negative view of Hollywood. To me, Hollywood panders to a more Euro-centric world view than it does a more traditional American world view. That's why every time a Republican wins the Whitehouse, half the celebs in Hollywood move to Europe. I can assure you that the Hollywood elite have a very low opinion of their fellow American's. I usually leave the theater a little miffed at how some aspect of American life was portrayed. Maybe that explains why I seldom go. I guess the last "American Hero" style movie I saw was "Patriot" with Mel Gibson. Most movies out lately have been the Star Wars, Harry Potter and similar genre which certainly do not have "American" themes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Star Wars, Harry Potter and similar genre which certainly do not have "American" themes. Hmm. Star Wars Episode II, corruption in the Senate, mis-use of presidential powers in a time of crisis and conflict. Sounds American to me :-D Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
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David Wulff wrote: so does that mean there is an Islamic Hollywood? I very much doubt it. Not their thing at all. Far too western and sexually charged.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Not true!, I once saw a scene from an Iranian movie, featuring a demonic Salman Rushdie killing women and children, using the magical powers that he got from Satan. Hilarious stuff, lightning were streaming from the authors hands... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Oh my, I hadn't thought of it like that! :eek: ** David packs his bags and gets on the first flight to Belguim (no one knows it really exists, so he'll be safe there) **
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: ** David packs his bags and gets on the first flight to Belguim (no one knows it really exists, so he'll be safe there) It may not exist, but the beer's nice. :) Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Paul Watson wrote: The only difference being that in the movies the Americans are always the good guys and the Islams are always raving lunatics hell bent on global destruction. Nice. It's not always Islam who are portrayed as bad guys. Braveheart casts the English as the bad guys. In Star Wars, all the good guys are played by Americans whilst the bad guys are all English. Die Hard casts Europeans as the bad guys. (Played by English actors though) Perhaps like Star Trek in the 60s with its token Russian we need to stick an Arab onto the bridge of the Enterprise as a heroic navigator. I wonder what their equivalent of "Keptin, there is a wessel on ze Starboard Bow" is? :-D Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
Michael P Butler wrote: It's not always Islam who are portrayed as bad guys. Sorry what I meant was that if there are Arabs in a movie, then they are the bad guy, 99.9999999% of the time. Especially if the heros are Americans. Michael P Butler wrote: Perhaps like Star Trek in the 60s with its token Russian we need to stick an Arab onto the bridge of the Enterprise as a heroic navigator. I wonder what their equivalent of "Keptin, there is a wessel on ze Starboard Bow" is? LMAO! Soon we will need an African, an Aborigine, a Maori, a VB programmer, a Woman... oh wait they have women in ST, ok so they are represented. Can you imagine if it was mandatory to represent all previously oppressed people in ST? There would be no place for Europeans :-D
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Belgians are a lot like Hobbits, quietly and happily getting on with their daily routines with not a care in the world. One day though evil men from the west (the French) will invade them for their fine chocolate, and rape and pillage all they see, imposing their self-interest on the poor natives and abusing their spirits. Poor Brussels will be raised to the ground. :(( And then one day a group of stout Belgian companions will return from the wars in the Middle East and expel the invaders, liberating their forgotten country once again. Then they will eat, drink and be merry, before dismounting from their high horses and moving back into their muddy holes.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: One day though evil men from the west (the French I'm just realizing, we are South from Belgium, England is West from Belgium. Some problem with Geography ? ;P
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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Michael P Butler wrote: It's not always Islam who are portrayed as bad guys. Sorry what I meant was that if there are Arabs in a movie, then they are the bad guy, 99.9999999% of the time. Especially if the heros are Americans. Michael P Butler wrote: Perhaps like Star Trek in the 60s with its token Russian we need to stick an Arab onto the bridge of the Enterprise as a heroic navigator. I wonder what their equivalent of "Keptin, there is a wessel on ze Starboard Bow" is? LMAO! Soon we will need an African, an Aborigine, a Maori, a VB programmer, a Woman... oh wait they have women in ST, ok so they are represented. Can you imagine if it was mandatory to represent all previously oppressed people in ST? There would be no place for Europeans :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Sorry what I meant was that if there are Arabs in a movie, then they are the bad guy, 99.9999999% of the time. Especially if the heros are Americans. I've been trying to think of an American movie where the heroes are South African :-D Of course in American movies the heroes are always American, even if in real life the heroes were from other countries. Take the movie about the Enigma coding device (forgot the title). It's quite amazing as the only war that the Americans won without outside help was the American civil war :-) Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
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Christian Graus wrote: Glad to see I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Not at all - in fact, you have stumbled onto the horrifying Truth: http://zapatopi.net/belgium.html[^] Shog9 ------
Sitting in muddy water isn't such a bad life, if it ends after the first time... - Yoko Kanno, The Real Folk Blues
:laugh: I've long suspected that Belgium is a hoax, or should be. I'll miss the waffles, though... "When in danger, fear, or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Lorelei and Lapis Lazuli Long
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Bollywood All I want to know is: When the star is walking down a street and breaks into song, how do all the peasents automatically know all the right words and dance moves? ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
You'll have to find a star breaking into a song while walking down the street to find out. Then you'll also be able to automatically know all the right words and dance moves. If you have never danced in your life before, this is a perfect way to start. :-D A Hindi movie without a lot of song and dance sequences is not a Hindi movie at all. :) PS: How come I did not get notified for your reply to my post? Is it because of the newsletter being sent? PPS: I haven't received mine yet. :|
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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You'll have to find a star breaking into a song while walking down the street to find out. Then you'll also be able to automatically know all the right words and dance moves. If you have never danced in your life before, this is a perfect way to start. :-D A Hindi movie without a lot of song and dance sequences is not a Hindi movie at all. :) PS: How come I did not get notified for your reply to my post? Is it because of the newsletter being sent? PPS: I haven't received mine yet. :|
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: A Hindi movie without a lot of song and dance sequences is not a Hindi movie at all. And one without stunning scenery and beautiful people is not a Hindi movie either :) I know obviously not all of India is like that, but even so, those parts shown in the movies are breathtaking. Rohit Sinha wrote: PS: How come I did not get notified for your reply to my post? Is it because of the newsletter being sent? PPS: I haven't received mine yet. Yeah, the newsletter really fouls up forum replies. Best to just thank god for the Newsletter Doldrums and get some work done :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !