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Fazlul Kabir wrote: However I don't think it's fair to attribute the cause of these incidents to the entire religion of Islam, as your original post tried to suggest. No, you're just sensitive to the possibility. My post tried to restate what Paul Watson said a while ago. While no-one sane would suggest that all Muslims are like this because a few are, the fact is that when people die in the name of religion, it is USUALLY Islam that is the religion, regardless of the degree to which it is a peversion of what most Muslims believe. I agree with him that it's worth asking ourselves what it is about Islam that causes it to so often be (possibly mis)interpreted as a call to kill people. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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"An explosion ripped through the cargo wing of Lagos airport yesterday, killing at least one person and trapping others inside, witnesses said. Lagos is Nigeria's main airport and the busiest in West Africa. " My dad's in Nigeria right now on contract; he gets back Saturday. I hope that nothing crazy happens from now until then. :~ :~ (closest emoticon to :worried: ) That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Wow - I really hope he's OK. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Great. I know - let's all follow this guy. Sounds like a hoot. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: Does these facts mean that any of them preached celibacy, or were celibate? I don't understand your point ? The point was to start with that if Mohomed preached celibacy, then it would be VERY offensive to suggest he'd marry a contestant in Miss World. If, as appears to be the case, he was a paedophile, then perhaps the insult is just that the contestants were a little to old for him. Is C.E. the same as A.D. ? Paul said to only have one wife about 30 A.D. How can Islam be built on Christianity if it's founder ignored the teachings of Christianities most prolific writer ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: Abraham had three wives I thought Sarah was his only wife. He did have a son with her Egyptian handmaiden though.
Jason Henderson
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Apparenty there was a riot because a newspaper suggested that is Mohommed lived today, he would marry a Miss World contestant, rather than reject the whole idea. Schools and shops hurriedly closed this morning as hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tyres and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city. Others were heard chanting, "Down with beauty" and "Miss World is sin". What the hell is wrong with these people ? Miss World is sin, but killing innocent people makes God happy ? Shehu Sani of the Kaduna-based Civil Rights Congress said he watched a crowd stab one young man, then force a tyre filled with petrol around his neck and burn him alive. Sani said he saw three other bodies elsewhere in the city. Alsa Hassan, founder of another human rights group, Alsa Care, said he saw a commuter being dragged out of his car and beaten to death by protesters. I wonder if this sort of thing has always gone on, and the media reports it now to help people in the west dehumanise all Muslims, to make it easier for us to join up and go and kill a few early next year. However, while the media's motives are not ever pure, I agree with what Paul asked a while ago - why is it that whenever this sort of thing goes on, it's always the same religion at the root of it ? What is WRONG with these people ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
To those "Christians" that are retaliating against the Muslims:
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” (Matthew 26:50-52)Jason Henderson
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To those "Christians" that are retaliating against the Muslims:
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” (Matthew 26:50-52)Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *There's 'christians' killing Muslims in retaliation ? I thought the original story was Muslims killing each other ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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KaЯl wrote: Moverover this young population lacks probably an efficient educational system, if there's even one. My goodness, it takes education to realize killing in the name of God is wrong? By all means, let's educate these fools. Mike
Education enables not to be easily manipulated as they are. Mike Gaskey wrote: to realize killing in the name of God is wrong We needed centuries to learn that :((
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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There's 'christians' killing Muslims in retaliation ? I thought the original story was Muslims killing each other ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
So called christians are retaliating, yes.
Jason Henderson
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David Wulff wrote: Am I the only one who (despite seeing the irony of the resulting situation) thinks that what was said was way out of line? It's probably obvious given the lack of things like freedom of speech in these countries, as they are held to ransom by fanatics, there was going to be this sort of a reaction. I dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. I don't see how a celibate could invent a religion where people who die killing the infidel get some number of virgins to themself in the afterlife. Or maybe he thought that way BECAUSE he was celibate. David Wulff wrote: Deliberate ignorance of other peoples values causes these horrible incidents to happen all over the world, with people of all races, ages and religions; it's just more fashionable to broadcast ones involving Muslims at the moment. I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. How about the Christians who went on a violent rampage burning down mosques and resulting in two thousand - yes, two thousand - people murdered just two years ago in the very same country, and all this was again when the Christian side went too far? Was all that destruction of life worth the cause? No, all it did was give an entire generation (on both sides) a common enemy to hate and wait quietly until one side steps out of line again. Nigeria is about as religiously charged a country as you could ever get with both sides largely hating and mistrusting each other beyond our comprehension. Those guys new very well what they were doing when they started their ad campaign; they new very well. :mad: Don't fall onto your high chair quite so easily; the stereotypes pushed on Muslims recently are not at all fair.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Christian Graus wrote: I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. How about the Christians who went on a violent rampage burning down mosques and resulting in two thousand - yes, two thousand - people murdered just two years ago in the very same country, and all this was again when the Christian side went too far? Was all that destruction of life worth the cause? No, all it did was give an entire generation (on both sides) a common enemy to hate and wait quietly until one side steps out of line again. Nigeria is about as religiously charged a country as you could ever get with both sides largely hating and mistrusting each other beyond our comprehension. Those guys new very well what they were doing when they started their ad campaign; they new very well. :mad: Don't fall onto your high chair quite so easily; the stereotypes pushed on Muslims recently are not at all fair.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: How about the Christians who went on a violent rampage burning down mosques and resulting in two thousand - yes, two thousand - people murdered just two years ago in the very same country This is my point. Is it then the case that the people in this country are morons generally, regardless of religion ? Is it endemic of the region, or endemic of extreme elements within the religion. It was Paul who raised the question as to why it seems we mainly hear of Islamic people doing these things, and my personal conclusion is that Christians who act like this do so because they do not read the Bible, Muslims who act like this do so because they DO read the Quran. David Wulff wrote: Don't fall onto your high chair quite so easily; the stereotypes pushed on Muslims recently are not at all fair. All stereotypes are unfair, and I've tried to use this thread to move beyond them, and to ask some questions. Whoever I spoke to this time is not the first person to run and hide when I asked them to explain Islam to me, and the benefits thereof. A search of the web makes me conclude that it's a 'fear of hell' religion, which is exactly the same thing that Christianity is falsely portrayed as a lot of the time. Therefore I conclude that institutional Christianity and Islam are both religions invented to control the masses, to keep them under control and to give them an irrational reason to hate people their leaders want dead. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
