I hate my computer!
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Christian Graus wrote: The computer is innocent, blame Windows. 98, right ? I have always prefered to blame the driver manufactures, usually video. Unless of course it is not my machine and then it is operator error;P "I will find a new sig someday."
Yeah, drivers are more often than not the source of the problem, but W2000 just *deals* with it. 98 just goes belly up. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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The computer is innocent, blame Windows. 98, right ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
No, surprisingly. That was the worst part, it was XP Professional!
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”
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Words cannot describe the fury and despair that occurs when a routine "oh, well, Windows won't shut down so I'll just press the reset button" transforms into an utter nightmare. A corrupted system file, a chkdsk and a few reinstalls later, I'm making one last attempt to save my data before giving up and reformatting entirely. This would be the fourth involuntary reformat since I recieved this machine—something's got to be utterly messed up on a hardware level, but I don't have the funding to replace everything. This is absolutely infuriating! I hate this machine! :mad::mad::mad: Alrighty, thanks for listening.
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”
I had a similar problem when I got my new machine. It turned out my HD was no good. New HD (warranty of course) and I have had no problems since.
CPUA 0x5041 Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little "So it can now be written in stone as a testament to humanities achievments "PJ did Pi at CP"." Colin Davies Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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No, surprisingly. That was the worst part, it was XP Professional!
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”
You're surprised it was XP ? :wtf: Afraid I've heard too many horror stories about it X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Words cannot describe the fury and despair that occurs when a routine "oh, well, Windows won't shut down so I'll just press the reset button" transforms into an utter nightmare. A corrupted system file, a chkdsk and a few reinstalls later, I'm making one last attempt to save my data before giving up and reformatting entirely. This would be the fourth involuntary reformat since I recieved this machine—something's got to be utterly messed up on a hardware level, but I don't have the funding to replace everything. This is absolutely infuriating! I hate this machine! :mad::mad::mad: Alrighty, thanks for listening.
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”
Domenic [Geekn] wrote: a routine "oh, well, Windows won't shut down so I'll just press the reset button" You do that regularly?! I don't think I have ever done this on any occasion *without* knowing full well it would require a full format/reinstall afterwards. I learnt that hard way that when Windows' says it's shutting down you leave it well alone. Even an innocent reset when it seems to have paused will destroy it. The same thing is true of BSODs - never press the reset button while it is creating it's report/log or you will loose that machine and all of the data on the system drive. Even with NTFS. I have found shutting down to be exponentially faster if you keep your system drive defragged, though I often trade a few extra seconds of "logging you off" and "shutitng down Windows" for the inconvienience of putting a machine out of action for a day while it defrags the system drive. It might be worth a try to at least attempt this monthly at a minimum in the future. Good luck getting your data back... now there's a pain I can really feel. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Domenic [Geekn] wrote: a routine "oh, well, Windows won't shut down so I'll just press the reset button" You do that regularly?! I don't think I have ever done this on any occasion *without* knowing full well it would require a full format/reinstall afterwards. I learnt that hard way that when Windows' says it's shutting down you leave it well alone. Even an innocent reset when it seems to have paused will destroy it. The same thing is true of BSODs - never press the reset button while it is creating it's report/log or you will loose that machine and all of the data on the system drive. Even with NTFS. I have found shutting down to be exponentially faster if you keep your system drive defragged, though I often trade a few extra seconds of "logging you off" and "shutitng down Windows" for the inconvienience of putting a machine out of action for a day while it defrags the system drive. It might be worth a try to at least attempt this monthly at a minimum in the future. Good luck getting your data back... now there's a pain I can really feel. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: Even an innocent reset when it seems to have paused will destroy it I have done it often enough without serious consequences. So will is too strong a word :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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David Wulff wrote: Even an innocent reset when it seems to have paused will destroy it I have done it often enough without serious consequences. So will is too strong a word :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Look, scare tactics only work when they scare the poor chap. You aren't helping him here. ;P I have seen more than my fair share of corrupt OS user data and trashed partition tables due to resetting a Windows machine during a shutdown, startup, or BSOD while still writing to disk, than most people will (hopefully) see in a lifetime. Not every instance will do it, but enough times something will be damaged that isn't justification for resetting because you were too impatient to let it finish the job correctly. All in all it just isn't worth the risk. William Hill give odds of 5-1 against damage if you are stupid enough to bet money on it. :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Look, scare tactics only work when they scare the poor chap. You aren't helping him here. ;P I have seen more than my fair share of corrupt OS user data and trashed partition tables due to resetting a Windows machine during a shutdown, startup, or BSOD while still writing to disk, than most people will (hopefully) see in a lifetime. Not every instance will do it, but enough times something will be damaged that isn't justification for resetting because you were too impatient to let it finish the job correctly. All in all it just isn't worth the risk. William Hill give odds of 5-1 against damage if you are stupid enough to bet money on it. :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: You aren't helping him here We're trying to help him? Oh. You guys need to fill me in when the plans change... ;) David Wulff wrote: All in all it just isn't worth the risk. William Hill give odds of 5-1 against damage if you are stupid enough to bet money on it Well with my current machine I would bet against the odds... 90% of the time the reason why my XP box gets stuck in a shut down is because the blasted W2K server is acting up... so when I do reset my box is fine and the server gets out of it's tizz. I once left XP in that state for 30 minutes and it did not shut down. So sometimes it is not impatience but the only thing left to do.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Domenic, My info here is a little out of date for your configuration but I had a KT133 with a Athalon 1.2 Thunderbird and a NVIDA card that had numerous problems. I checked and the the MB Bios was one of the earliest that was shipped. Updated the MB bios and all was fine. Now updating the bios is not that big of a deal but if you do get the wrong one or something happens during the update it is not good. But you might check the MB makers site and see if that is an option. If you are about to trash it anyways. I will say if this make you uncomfortable, do not do it. Wait a little while and see if anyone else has any comments. A first test would be to try another video. If you have an old machine or a friend to work with. "I will find a new sig someday."
By all means, do be careful:
<horror_story>The manufacturer of my previous motherboard (rhymes with "Intel") published a BIOS update for it, and even sent me an e-mail notifying me of it. How kind. I downloaded the update and attempted to install it. The install failed. Oops. Fortunately, the install made a recovery copy. I attempted the recovery procedure. Oops, part deux. The recovery procedure didn't work. It turns out the original BIOS revision on my board had a bug, and BIOS updates did not get written correctly to the Flash (wiping out the recovery code in the process). I ended up buying a new motherboard, processor, and RAM, not to mention re-installing Windows 98 and Windows 2000 (I dual boot), and losing about a week's worth of time.</horror_story>
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Domenic [Geekn] wrote: a routine "oh, well, Windows won't shut down so I'll just press the reset button" You do that regularly?! I don't think I have ever done this on any occasion *without* knowing full well it would require a full format/reinstall afterwards. I learnt that hard way that when Windows' says it's shutting down you leave it well alone. Even an innocent reset when it seems to have paused will destroy it. The same thing is true of BSODs - never press the reset button while it is creating it's report/log or you will loose that machine and all of the data on the system drive. Even with NTFS. I have found shutting down to be exponentially faster if you keep your system drive defragged, though I often trade a few extra seconds of "logging you off" and "shutitng down Windows" for the inconvienience of putting a machine out of action for a day while it defrags the system drive. It might be worth a try to at least attempt this monthly at a minimum in the future. Good luck getting your data back... now there's a pain I can really feel. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: I learnt that hard way that when Windows' says it's shutting down you leave it well alone. How long would you suggest leaving it alone for? I left it alone for a good five minutes... But yes, thank you very much for the advice, as I can definitely see where it would be applicable. David Wulff wrote: I have found shutting down to be exponentially faster if you keep your system drive defragged Yep, I'm pretty good about defragging regularly, i.e. once every two weeks or so, but again, I'll keep this in mind as well. David Wulff wrote: Good luck getting your data back... now there's a pain I can really feel. Good news, it's back! Yay!! Now I just have to spend a lot of time reinstalling everything on the whole dammned planet... but my data's still there!
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”
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David Wulff wrote: I learnt that hard way that when Windows' says it's shutting down you leave it well alone. How long would you suggest leaving it alone for? I left it alone for a good five minutes... But yes, thank you very much for the advice, as I can definitely see where it would be applicable. David Wulff wrote: I have found shutting down to be exponentially faster if you keep your system drive defragged Yep, I'm pretty good about defragging regularly, i.e. once every two weeks or so, but again, I'll keep this in mind as well. David Wulff wrote: Good luck getting your data back... now there's a pain I can really feel. Good news, it's back! Yay!! Now I just have to spend a lot of time reinstalling everything on the whole dammned planet... but my data's still there!
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”
Domenic [Geekn] wrote: How long would you suggest leaving it alone for? I left it alone for a good five minutes... I've left mine for almost an hour once while I sat there and screamed at it, and another time I left it overnight so I'm not sure when it finally did shut down. Domenic [Geekn] wrote: but my data's still there :cool:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
