I am very proud of the UC Berkley protesters
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Joking aside, what kind of torture are we talking about? As defined by US law? By the UN Convention Against Torture? Common use?
harold aptroot wrote:
what kind of torture are we talking about?
I don't know about you, but I was talking about sexually transmitted diseases. I think that you "know" deep down inside, that the police were not torturing anyone. I would like to believe that you are smart enough to know what torture is and what it isn't.
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Then please educate me, oh, great one. What is the bowl movement all about?
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harold aptroot wrote:
what kind of torture are we talking about?
I don't know about you, but I was talking about sexually transmitted diseases. I think that you "know" deep down inside, that the police were not torturing anyone. I would like to believe that you are smart enough to know what torture is and what it isn't.
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Majerus wrote:
An American that hates the first amendment. Unfortunately not as rare as one would hope.
Since you want to be serious. I don't hate the first amendment. I hate cry babies. I love capitalism. I don't love giving money to people who didn't earn it, and I don't believe in blaming people who have more than myself for my financial misfortunes. I am not saying that the government and the industry in general doesn't need an enema but what are these people really protesting? Do they even know anymore? I am against socialism, at all costs. I don't believe everyone was created equal. If I work hard for my money and I become a millionaire; why should I give you any of my money? Stop being lazy and go WORK for your money like everyone else. All these people who are protesting big corporations, need to start walking around naked. They need to stop eating and bathing, and going to the doctor. They just need to sit on the floor until they die because they owe their very lives to big corporations. We would be nothing without big corporations and big money houses. Am I a capitalist pig? An evil American? yes.
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Well, I'm mostly in favor of the Occupy movement, and I agree with most of what you said. The membership of the movement varies quite a bit, so there's no single message other than the old Network fallback, "We're as mad as hell, and we're not going to take this anymore!" It's not about "Rich = Evil," except for the more extreme members of the protest... It's about the playing field being drastically tilted to favor the guys who are already ahead. Politicians are bought and paid-for by billionaires and corporations through lobbyists and special interest groups, so the 1% (Really the 0.01% or so, but that's a mouthful) can just change the rules to suit them. The OWS movement wants to get money out of politics, and rewind some of those idiotic rules (A corporation is a person? Really?) to give the little guy a fair shot. So corporations are good, but they need to play by the rules. (The following is my personal opinion, not necessarily that of OWS) As for the socialism angle, you and I seem to differ a bit. I'm not an all-out socialist, but I do think some social policies are needed. Capitalism is good, but PURE capitalism leads to the working class being relegated to little more than slave labor. Some socialism is good, but PURE socialism is unfair and encourages laziness and stagnation. You need a mix of the two... Medicare/Medicaid are good policies, but need to be tweaked to reduce costs and cut down on the abuse... Unemployment pay is necessary for some (People who had jobs and lost them, not perpetual slackers), but again needs to cut WAY down on abuse (Maybe combine with a government jobs program)... Welfare isn't ideal, but the alternative is to let people starve to death, and that's not an option in any civilized country. Social security needs to be adjusted to account for longer lifespans, but is necessary now that pensions are all but extinct. Other than social security and medicare (Health care for the elderly), I see social welfare policies as backstops... People need to climb the ladder themselves if they want to prosper, but before they can do that, they need a ladder to climb. When people get sick or laid off, or just fall on hard times, give them enough so they have the opportunity to get back on their feet and go back to supporting themselves.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Majerus wrote:
ou've already made it clear you approve of torturing non-violent protesters.
If you are on my property and you don't leave. Then you are accepting the risks involved with not leaving. Force is justifiable to make someone leave property that is not theirs. The police did not torture anyone. [edit] I don't think you know what torture really is. Trust me, spraying gas in some turd's face to make them get off my property is not torture. Now, giving you Mongolian VD, that is torture. :-D
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property. I suspect that if you pepper-sprayed someone sitting passively in your front yard, you be arrested and sued. Force is not always justified, and even when it is, there are limits. There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley. I know what torture is. If you want to argue that pepper-spraying does not rise to the legal definition of torture - that's fine, I won't disagree. Doesn't change that what they did was unjustified and police brutality. And I'll still call it torture.
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The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property. I suspect that if you pepper-sprayed someone sitting passively in your front yard, you be arrested and sued. Force is not always justified, and even when it is, there are limits. There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley. I know what torture is. If you want to argue that pepper-spraying does not rise to the legal definition of torture - that's fine, I won't disagree. Doesn't change that what they did was unjustified and police brutality. And I'll still call it torture.
The Left - Taking shit for being right since before you were born. - driftglass
Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So they would have been justified to roll in with tanks and slaughter them all. Or maybe just nuke them. Don't be ridiculous man. They could have just dragged them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Neither do you. Here let me help: "the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure" (Merriam Webster). I take it you also agree with the violence recently used on the Tahrir square? Those people are breaking the law, so go ahead and kill a few until they go away.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So they would have been justified to roll in with tanks and slaughter them all. Or maybe just nuke them. Don't be ridiculous man. They could have just dragged them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Neither do you. Here let me help: "the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure" (Merriam Webster). I take it you also agree with the violence recently used on the Tahrir square? Those people are breaking the law, so go ahead and kill a few until they go away.
harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then.
The tried and they failed.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Oh yes so you're a soldier and everyone else's pain is irrelevant? Pain is subjective, sir.
I should have known you were from the Netherlands. This explains everything now. :laugh:
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Anyway, your opinion is irrelevant. As is mine, of course. Whether it's torture or not is not up to us to determine.
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I should have known you were from the Netherlands. This explains everything now. :laugh:
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:laugh:
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:laugh:
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:laugh:
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then.
The tried and they failed.
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