I am very proud of the UC Berkley protesters
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Majerus wrote:
ou've already made it clear you approve of torturing non-violent protesters.
If you are on my property and you don't leave. Then you are accepting the risks involved with not leaving. Force is justifiable to make someone leave property that is not theirs. The police did not torture anyone. [edit] I don't think you know what torture really is. Trust me, spraying gas in some turd's face to make them get off my property is not torture. Now, giving you Mongolian VD, that is torture. :-D
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property. I suspect that if you pepper-sprayed someone sitting passively in your front yard, you be arrested and sued. Force is not always justified, and even when it is, there are limits. There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley. I know what torture is. If you want to argue that pepper-spraying does not rise to the legal definition of torture - that's fine, I won't disagree. Doesn't change that what they did was unjustified and police brutality. And I'll still call it torture.
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The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property. I suspect that if you pepper-sprayed someone sitting passively in your front yard, you be arrested and sued. Force is not always justified, and even when it is, there are limits. There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley. I know what torture is. If you want to argue that pepper-spraying does not rise to the legal definition of torture - that's fine, I won't disagree. Doesn't change that what they did was unjustified and police brutality. And I'll still call it torture.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So they would have been justified to roll in with tanks and slaughter them all. Or maybe just nuke them. Don't be ridiculous man. They could have just dragged them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Neither do you. Here let me help: "the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure" (Merriam Webster). I take it you also agree with the violence recently used on the Tahrir square? Those people are breaking the law, so go ahead and kill a few until they go away.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So they would have been justified to roll in with tanks and slaughter them all. Or maybe just nuke them. Don't be ridiculous man. They could have just dragged them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Neither do you. Here let me help: "the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure" (Merriam Webster). I take it you also agree with the violence recently used on the Tahrir square? Those people are breaking the law, so go ahead and kill a few until they go away.
harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then.
The tried and they failed.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Oh yes so you're a soldier and everyone else's pain is irrelevant? Pain is subjective, sir.
I should have known you were from the Netherlands. This explains everything now. :laugh:
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Anyway, your opinion is irrelevant. As is mine, of course. Whether it's torture or not is not up to us to determine.
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I should have known you were from the Netherlands. This explains everything now. :laugh:
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:laugh:
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then.
The tried and they failed.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property
Apparently you don't understand the concept of public ownership.
Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
No, it isn't. There was no justification for pepper-spraying the students. The cops could simply have picked them up and carried them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law.
Not good enough. Can you even cite the specific law? Again not all levels of force are acceptable under all circumstances. In these circumstances pepper spray is not acceptable.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Of course I do. It's not complicated. In addition, you seem to have forgotten all about the 1st amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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I wonder what the world would have looked like by now if they had succeeded. Would they still have won the world wars? Would the cold war have been warm?
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Laugh all you want, that's how it works. Unless you're a judge. Or perhaps a politician, they sometimes get involved even though that violates trias politica.
;P
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