I am very proud of the UC Berkley protesters
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then.
The tried and they failed.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
LIstening to rap music is pretty close.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Neither do you.
Actually, I do buttercup. I fought for my country. I hurt people and people hurt me. I have seen torture and death with my own eyes and I have experienced it first hand. I get fired up when I here pure shit pour out of the mouths of people like you; people who don't know anything but what they read and what other people tell them. Like I said, you have no fucking idea what torture is.
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Oh yes so you're a soldier and everyone else's pain is irrelevant? Pain is subjective, sir.
I should have known you were from the Netherlands. This explains everything now. :laugh:
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Anyway, your opinion is irrelevant. As is mine, of course. Whether it's torture or not is not up to us to determine.
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I should have known you were from the Netherlands. This explains everything now. :laugh:
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So the British should have kept the American colonies in the Empire by force then.
The tried and they failed.
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Majerus wrote:
The quad on the campus of UC Davis is not private property.
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property. The students do not own the property, someone else does. They are at the college/university as a privilege and not a right.
Majerus wrote:
Force is not always justified
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
Majerus wrote:
There is no justification for what the police did at Berkley.
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law. If your feelings got hurt by this then that sounds more like a personal problem to me.
Majerus wrote:
And I'll still call it torture.
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property
Apparently you don't understand the concept of public ownership.
Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
No, it isn't. There was no justification for pepper-spraying the students. The cops could simply have picked them up and carried them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law.
Not good enough. Can you even cite the specific law? Again not all levels of force are acceptable under all circumstances. In these circumstances pepper spray is not acceptable.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Of course I do. It's not complicated. In addition, you seem to have forgotten all about the 1st amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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I wonder what the world would have looked like by now if they had succeeded. Would they still have won the world wars? Would the cold war have been warm?
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Laugh all you want, that's how it works. Unless you're a judge. Or perhaps a politician, they sometimes get involved even though that violates trias politica.
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;P
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If your objective is to piss to me off, that is very possible, but this is not the way. I may at best get slightly annoyed. Throwing small objects at my head while I'm trying to concentrate works particularly well.
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Slacker007 wrote:
The tried and they failed.
But the force was justified? In fact any force would have been justified in your opinion, no?
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I would say yes they were justified. But at the same time the founding fathers of the US were justified in rebelling. The same is true for the 'some' of the protestors. I say some, because with any protestors come the.... Dang what did PCU[^] call that group? Well, if you saw the movie you know what I mean. They jump on the Protest bandwagon. Again, not saying 'some' are not in the right. But if you protest and break the law you should expect an outlash. And one can't really gripe when it comes at them. With that said, it is somewhat sickening watching the video. I think the police were in the right to spray, but how they did it was not 'good'. Just like a soldier should not gloat about how many of the other side they have killed. It is their duty, but for such a 'dirty' duty to take pleasure in it looses the populaces faith in them doing their duty honorbly.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Slacker007 wrote:
If UC Davis owns the land the quad is on then it is private property
Apparently you don't understand the concept of public ownership.
Slacker007 wrote:
Force is always justified when someone is breaking the law and they won't stop.
No, it isn't. There was no justification for pepper-spraying the students. The cops could simply have picked them up and carried them away.
Slacker007 wrote:
Sure there is. They were enforcing the law.
Not good enough. Can you even cite the specific law? Again not all levels of force are acceptable under all circumstances. In these circumstances pepper spray is not acceptable.
Slacker007 wrote:
You have no bloody idea what torture is.
Of course I do. It's not complicated. In addition, you seem to have forgotten all about the 1st amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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Majerus wrote:
No, it isn't. There was no justification for pepper-spraying the students. The cops could simply have picked them up and carried them away.
How would have that been possible? Any protest works under the assumption they are strong in numbers. They linked together so they could NOT be removed even by force. Thus they were sprayed. To be clear, how the officers sprayed them was not 'pretty'. However, the officers were in full right to spray them.
Majerus wrote:
In addition, you seem to have forgotten all about the 1st amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Congress did not make the law. The Dean asked for police assistance on the property she was responcible for. Just as I would ask for police assistance if you were camped on my lawn hooting an holloring. Again, the police handled it poorly. However, the police did need to handle it. There were deffinately better approaches. But to defend the protestors blindly is foolish. To me its like defending the burgler who gets shot by the home owner. They are in the right, but they should not be taking pleasure from it. However, there is no law against that. It is just very, very very UN-PC.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Majerus wrote:
No, it isn't. There was no justification for pepper-spraying the students. The cops could simply have picked them up and carried them away.
How would have that been possible? Any protest works under the assumption they are strong in numbers. They linked together so they could NOT be removed even by force. Thus they were sprayed. To be clear, how the officers sprayed them was not 'pretty'. However, the officers were in full right to spray them.
Majerus wrote:
In addition, you seem to have forgotten all about the 1st amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Congress did not make the law. The Dean asked for police assistance on the property she was responcible for. Just as I would ask for police assistance if you were camped on my lawn hooting an holloring. Again, the police handled it poorly. However, the police did need to handle it. There were deffinately better approaches. But to defend the protestors blindly is foolish. To me its like defending the burgler who gets shot by the home owner. They are in the right, but they should not be taking pleasure from it. However, there is no law against that. It is just very, very very UN-PC.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
They linked together so they could NOT be removed even by force.
Oh, sure those kids were just way too strong for those little cops to handle. They just HAD to use violence. :rolleyes:
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Congress did not make the law.
So what? I guess you've forgotten about the 14th amendment and the doctrine of incorporation.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Just as I would ask for police assistance if you were camped on my lawn hooting an holloring.
Hardly. They weren't "hooting and holloring" and it wasn't on private property.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
However, the police did need to handle it.
Why? What law were they breaking?
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
To me its like defending the burgler who gets shot by the home owner.
That's just plain bizarre. How is a peaceful protest like a burgler? It isn't.
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