Atheists are idiots
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
Kevnar wrote: Atheists are idiots Careful with your blanket statements and generalizations. :suss: Jon Sagara When I want something, I just go out and buy it. That makes me a go-getter. -- My sister
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
I am always amazed be the degree of "True Believer" fervor that comes from Non-Believers. If they don't believe in some kind of "Higher Power" why should they care if I do or what I choose to call it? I've always suspected that they were just afraid they might be wrong... Atheists have a soul, they've just rented it out. Now Lawyers and Accountants I'm not so sure about...
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
Kevnar wrote: , "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." Where was the "only I'm allowed to do that" bit? I'm sure these parents would be more than happy to let their kids do such things *outside* the context of religion. And what if it were Jehovah's Witnesses? Or Moonies? Would you let your kids get involved as long as they were doing humanitarian acts of kindness and good will toward your fellow man?
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
Two parts to my reply 1. It's a little known fact that aid groups like World Vision will only feed people who convert to their brand of Christianity. I know this from church members we have in Africa. 2. I agree that it seems it's the athiests who complain the most. If all that was required was to bring some unused toys to school, as opposed to attending several church meetings, then who cares who runs it ? The message that these people want to help others is given to the child already, the counter message appears to be 'my parents will only help people if it's on their own terms'. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. IMO it's more a "We should stop shoving down anything anyones throat - no matter what it takes". But that's not wilth all atheists, I agree.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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Two parts to my reply 1. It's a little known fact that aid groups like World Vision will only feed people who convert to their brand of Christianity. I know this from church members we have in Africa. 2. I agree that it seems it's the athiests who complain the most. If all that was required was to bring some unused toys to school, as opposed to attending several church meetings, then who cares who runs it ? The message that these people want to help others is given to the child already, the counter message appears to be 'my parents will only help people if it's on their own terms'. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: will only feed people who convert to their brand of Christianity This really happens?! Good grief! Christian Graus wrote: then who cares who runs it ... 'my parents will only help people if it's on their own terms' But this doesn't correspond with your first point. If I had kids, I wouldn't have any problem telling them "I'm not really interested in helping these people who are going over to help others but denying that help to those who won't convert. Let's find someone who's going over there to help because they want to help, not because they're on a recruitment drive. Or do it ourselves."
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. IMO it's more a "We should stop shoving down anything anyones throat - no matter what it takes". But that's not wilth all atheists, I agree.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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Christian Graus wrote: will only feed people who convert to their brand of Christianity This really happens?! Good grief! Christian Graus wrote: then who cares who runs it ... 'my parents will only help people if it's on their own terms' But this doesn't correspond with your first point. If I had kids, I wouldn't have any problem telling them "I'm not really interested in helping these people who are going over to help others but denying that help to those who won't convert. Let's find someone who's going over there to help because they want to help, not because they're on a recruitment drive. Or do it ourselves."
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
Taka Muraoka wrote: This really happens?! Good grief! Yes. I would like very much to sponsor a child, but cannot find a non religious group that will allow me to. Taka Muraoka wrote: If I had kids, I wouldn't have any problem telling them "I'm not really interested in helping these people who are going over to help others but denying that help to those who won't convert. Let's find someone who's going over there to help because they want to help, not because they're on a recruitment drive. Or do it ourselves." Truth is, I can't find a non-religious group. Have you tried ? I would suggest the majority of people who stop their kids helping out would say the same, and promptly do nothing about it. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Taka Muraoka wrote: This really happens?! Good grief! Yes. I would like very much to sponsor a child, but cannot find a non religious group that will allow me to. Taka Muraoka wrote: If I had kids, I wouldn't have any problem telling them "I'm not really interested in helping these people who are going over to help others but denying that help to those who won't convert. Let's find someone who's going over there to help because they want to help, not because they're on a recruitment drive. Or do it ourselves." Truth is, I can't find a non-religious group. Have you tried ? I would suggest the majority of people who stop their kids helping out would say the same, and promptly do nothing about it. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I would suggest the majority of people who stop their kids helping out would say the same, and promptly do nothing about it. Too true, unfortunately. Christian Graus wrote: Truth is, I can't find a non-religious group. Have you tried ? Yes. I'm not a big fan of things like sponsoring a child. It smacks too much of the easing of middle-class guilt by chucking a few dollars their way and I would mortified if it turned out that the child was only chosen because they were willing to convert, for example. I also read up a bit on how the big charities work a while back and it's amazing how much gets wasted in overhead and bureaucracy and the political games that go on. I've looked a few times for organizations that send people overseas to do community work and the like but for most of them, you have to pay quite a bit for the privilege of donating your services. A guy I work with left last week for Nepal to do some volunteer work but that seemed more like an organised holiday with a bit of community work along the way. A friend mentioned Medecins Sans Frontiers the other day so I'm going to have a look into that. Unfortunately my circumstances right now make it a bit difficult to do this kind of stuff (just bought a house) but it's something I really want to do. There's an interesting account of one guy's experience teaching computers in Kenya here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/9/3/151048/0948[^] He wrote several installments so Google the site if you want to read the subsequent parts.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Christian Graus wrote: I would suggest the majority of people who stop their kids helping out would say the same, and promptly do nothing about it. Too true, unfortunately. Christian Graus wrote: Truth is, I can't find a non-religious group. Have you tried ? Yes. I'm not a big fan of things like sponsoring a child. It smacks too much of the easing of middle-class guilt by chucking a few dollars their way and I would mortified if it turned out that the child was only chosen because they were willing to convert, for example. I also read up a bit on how the big charities work a while back and it's amazing how much gets wasted in overhead and bureaucracy and the political games that go on. I've looked a few times for organizations that send people overseas to do community work and the like but for most of them, you have to pay quite a bit for the privilege of donating your services. A guy I work with left last week for Nepal to do some volunteer work but that seemed more like an organised holiday with a bit of community work along the way. A friend mentioned Medecins Sans Frontiers the other day so I'm going to have a look into that. Unfortunately my circumstances right now make it a bit difficult to do this kind of stuff (just bought a house) but it's something I really want to do. There's an interesting account of one guy's experience teaching computers in Kenya here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/9/3/151048/0948[^] He wrote several installments so Google the site if you want to read the subsequent parts.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
To be honest, my main goal is to give my kids an understanding that not everyone has enough to eat, or the things they need to survive and that as human beings we should show empathy and help where we can. I have no doubt that 2/3 of my $30 a month would go to someones Ferrarri repayments. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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To be honest, my main goal is to give my kids an understanding that not everyone has enough to eat, or the things they need to survive and that as human beings we should show empathy and help where we can. I have no doubt that 2/3 of my $30 a month would go to someones Ferrarri repayments. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: my main goal is to give my kids an understanding that not everyone has enough to eat Then, IMHO, the best thing you could possibly do is take them there to see it for themselves. It's hard to ignore when it's right in your face instead of some soppy ad on the telly asking for donations. And even though there are poor people here in Oz who don't have enough to eat, it's still easy to ignore them - they're just poor people. But the grinding, life-threatening poverty that exists in the third world is something that you can never forget. I've spent (and intend to continue spending) a lot of time travelling and going to places like Cambodia and Yemen and Laos has changed me in more ways than I can ever know. And nothing gets my ire up more than seeing some fat, middle-class moron bitching at a Starbucks because their coffee has been made with regular milk instead of low-fat.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
So you immediately tar the other atheists who did help their children participate with the same brush ? Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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peterchen wrote: Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. That's waaay too good to let slip by... :)
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, "Atheists are idiots"
:-D Benjy, how about another tee shirt? ;P
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Live for today and die tomorrow.
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So you immediately tar the other atheists who did help their children participate with the same brush ? Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: So you immediately tar the other atheists who did help their children participate with the same brush ? Good heavens, you're right! Think of the cross-contamination! :omg: Kevin must never have worked in foodservice...
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
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I am always amazed be the degree of "True Believer" fervor that comes from Non-Believers. If they don't believe in some kind of "Higher Power" why should they care if I do or what I choose to call it? I've always suspected that they were just afraid they might be wrong... Atheists have a soul, they've just rented it out. Now Lawyers and Accountants I'm not so sure about...
OldRob wrote: I've always suspected that they were just afraid they might be wrong... No, the issue is more that there is no issue. We don't fear anything as we don't see the need to fill our lives with, to be polite, very unimaginative lies. I am perfectly happy in the knowledge (and I don't proclaim to understand all of it) of how I came about and how I will in time cease. I'm perfectly able to grasp the principles of morality, spirit and will because, would you believe it, I share exactly the same brain construction as you do. My biggest gripe with select religious individuals out there is that they somehow propose to assume that athiests are "missing something", as if they somehow have a hole in their lives. Well here's some news for you: we don't have the holes you keep filling. If we did then I'm certain we'd find a suitable religion to live by too. :| OldRob wrote: Now Lawyers and Accountants I'm not so sure about... They evolved from slugs. :-D OldRob wrote: If they don't believe in some kind of "Higher Power" why should they care if I do or what I choose to call it? I, speaking personally, don't give a maggot infested rotting monkey's pustule. (Good enough for you Christian) Sorry, I was just using the opportunity there. I, speaking personally, don't give a damn what you choose to believe in unless you or it tries to interfere my my life or the lives of others. In the case this thread talks of, if Christian's facts are correct, then I too would not have participated. The core principles of religion are present in every man but the hope religion gives to an individual is in my eyes missplaced. Hope should be placed *in* the individual, not given to them like a scrap of bread. Give a man a loaf of bread... etc, etc. :|
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Live for today and die tomorrow.
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
Kevnar wrote: Here's my contentious rant of the day: I don't find it contentious at all. Poorly thought out and myopic perhaps, but certainly not contentious.
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OldRob wrote: I've always suspected that they were just afraid they might be wrong... No, the issue is more that there is no issue. We don't fear anything as we don't see the need to fill our lives with, to be polite, very unimaginative lies. I am perfectly happy in the knowledge (and I don't proclaim to understand all of it) of how I came about and how I will in time cease. I'm perfectly able to grasp the principles of morality, spirit and will because, would you believe it, I share exactly the same brain construction as you do. My biggest gripe with select religious individuals out there is that they somehow propose to assume that athiests are "missing something", as if they somehow have a hole in their lives. Well here's some news for you: we don't have the holes you keep filling. If we did then I'm certain we'd find a suitable religion to live by too. :| OldRob wrote: Now Lawyers and Accountants I'm not so sure about... They evolved from slugs. :-D OldRob wrote: If they don't believe in some kind of "Higher Power" why should they care if I do or what I choose to call it? I, speaking personally, don't give a maggot infested rotting monkey's pustule. (Good enough for you Christian) Sorry, I was just using the opportunity there. I, speaking personally, don't give a damn what you choose to believe in unless you or it tries to interfere my my life or the lives of others. In the case this thread talks of, if Christian's facts are correct, then I too would not have participated. The core principles of religion are present in every man but the hope religion gives to an individual is in my eyes missplaced. Hope should be placed *in* the individual, not given to them like a scrap of bread. Give a man a loaf of bread... etc, etc. :|
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Live for today and die tomorrow.
David Wulff wrote: Hope should be placed *in* the individual Uh, oh... we're in trouble... :~
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
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Here's my contentious rant of the day: There's a charity in the US that is sending shoe boxes full of toys and household needs to children living with HIV in africa. School children were asked to take part, but apparently several parents would not let their children participate because "it's just a thinly veiled attempt to spread Christianity". So in other words, "Sorry, Junior. You can't take part in a humanitarian act of kindness and good will toward your fellow man, because it's just a bunch of religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat. Only I'm allowed to do that." When an atheist claims that man has no soul, perhaps they are only refering to themselves.
"My brother says 'Hello'... So hurray for speech therapy!" -Emo Phillips
People are allowed to give to any cause they see fit. If your cause doesn't match their critetia, it doesn't mean they don't give at all, it simply means they don't want to contribute their efforts in your cause. period. I'm agnostic, but I give of my time and money where I see fit, and usually its unattached to religion and more often its on a personal level with those I know, but that in no way makes me less generous than you or anyone else. I hope these parents explained to the kids why they didn't help out because I'm sure they are being singled out for this. Hopefully they did something else, perhaps locally for someone else, but its their right to deny in any case. BW "Computers are useless. They only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso
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OldRob wrote: I've always suspected that they were just afraid they might be wrong... No, the issue is more that there is no issue. We don't fear anything as we don't see the need to fill our lives with, to be polite, very unimaginative lies. I am perfectly happy in the knowledge (and I don't proclaim to understand all of it) of how I came about and how I will in time cease. I'm perfectly able to grasp the principles of morality, spirit and will because, would you believe it, I share exactly the same brain construction as you do. My biggest gripe with select religious individuals out there is that they somehow propose to assume that athiests are "missing something", as if they somehow have a hole in their lives. Well here's some news for you: we don't have the holes you keep filling. If we did then I'm certain we'd find a suitable religion to live by too. :| OldRob wrote: Now Lawyers and Accountants I'm not so sure about... They evolved from slugs. :-D OldRob wrote: If they don't believe in some kind of "Higher Power" why should they care if I do or what I choose to call it? I, speaking personally, don't give a maggot infested rotting monkey's pustule. (Good enough for you Christian) Sorry, I was just using the opportunity there. I, speaking personally, don't give a damn what you choose to believe in unless you or it tries to interfere my my life or the lives of others. In the case this thread talks of, if Christian's facts are correct, then I too would not have participated. The core principles of religion are present in every man but the hope religion gives to an individual is in my eyes missplaced. Hope should be placed *in* the individual, not given to them like a scrap of bread. Give a man a loaf of bread... etc, etc. :|
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Live for today and die tomorrow.
The amount of rage in your reply is remarkable. To a great degree, I think you confirm my first point (the "True believer" fervor one, not the one you quoted). David Wulff wrote: OldRob wrote: I've always suspected that they were just afraid they might be wrong... I should have put a :) after that, it was meant in far greater jest than you took it. Some clarification: 1. Personally I have little use for organized religions of any stripe, not so much because of the supposedly "core" beliefs they espouse, but because like most human organizations their primary focus is on self promotion; the organization and its human hierarchy are unfortuanately more important to them than the beliefs. That said, however, I prefer Pascal's wager over your position. I am also very suspicious of anyone claiming to have exclusive truth on their side (Atheists included). 2. I would not however, deny a child a lesson in sharing, nor exposure to the idea that there are less fortunate in the world merely because I objected. That some children get some aid seems more important than whether or not they are subjected to the indoctination that I disagree with. Presented with a purely secular charitable organization as an alternative, I would surely choose them, but in the abscence of such (Does UNICEF DO anything these days?), I would posit that even a tarnished act of charity is preferable to the abscence of charity. 3.I too could care less what your (or anyone elses) beliefs recarding the existance of a deity might be, and object to anyone who insists on forcing their system on me. I do not, however, believe that I have the right or obligation to insist that organized religions be prevented from recruiting, unless they endanger the well being of either the recruited or the apostate. Belittling another because they belive OR don't believe is equally reprehensible behaviour. The initial post was in poor taste (a bit too sweeping a condemnation, which questioned intelligence where it should have questioned motive) at best. IMHO your response is little more tasteful. I am reminded of the quote from MacBeth: 'Methinks the lady dost protest too much' In closing, my apologies for unintentionally offending you so much. I just didn't realize it was THAT important... :rolleyes: