Religion
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phykell wrote: What good news? That we're *not* masters of our own destiny? Apparently you didn't understand what I said. We tell you the message, what you do with it is up to you. You are still "master of your own destiny" because you can decide to accept the invitation or to decline it. Even if you became a Christian, you would still have all the freedom you have now. phykell wrote: That there's really an omnipotent being indifferently watching lesser creatures needlessly suffer? You don't understand Christianity very well. God is not indifferent, if you studied Christianity at all you would realize that. He has given you a way out! This world's suffering is our own doing, because we reject God at every opportunity. I will gladly explain as much as I can if you want me too. I don't have all the answers, because I'm still learning too. But if you really want to learn more, I can tell you what I know. Otherwise, you are judging something you have no understanding of.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote:You are still "master of your own destiny" because you can decide to accept the invitation or to decline it. Even if you became a Christian, you would still have all the freedom you have now. If God is really an omnipotent being, he will already know my answer before I give it. He knew before I was born, what answer I would give. He's already made his judgement about me. My fate is sealed and I'm hardly master of my own destiny am I? Jason Henderson wrote: You don't understand Christianity very well. I understand it well enough. Even if your God does exist, Christianity is almost certainly a poor representation of what your God would want. The best thing your God ever did for us was giving us the ten commandments and those rules are enough to live by. What a shame no-one, especially the religious, follow such sensible rules Jason Henderson wrote: God is not indifferent, if you studied Christianity at all you would realize that. He has given you a way out! This world's suffering is our own doing, because we reject God at every opportunity. I will gladly explain as much as I can if you want me too. I don't have all the answers, because I'm still learning too. But if you really want to learn more, I can tell you what I know. Otherwise, you are judging something you have no understanding of. And all he would have to do is make himself known to us. That would sort everything out. But no, he'd rather tell us all that the challenge is to have faith and to do his will despite our short lives and tenuous grip on life. I have never rejected God, he has rejected me, because he didn't give me the ability to *have* faith. I'd love to believe there is a God but I simply don't believe and for me to demonstrate faith anyway, would of course be insincere - and a far greater sin than following God "just in case" he does exist as so many people do. God doesn't speak to me. I don't see him in the wonders of this world like some do. I see the reasons why early man needed a God, I see that such creatures as ourselves can only (possibly) ever have a fraction of understanding about what reality truly is, and despite wanting to believe in a God that loves us, I simply can't. I believe, if there ever is a judgement day, I can stand up and say that I followed the commandments of my own accord and not just because I was told to "fear" a "jealous" all-powerful God. I will live my life as I see fit, deciding for
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Christian Graus wrote: I meant incompatibile in the sense that one person cannot hold to both points of view. Why ? I fail to understand. The Islamic representation of the crucifixion of Jesus differs but the interpretation is similar. Their was for a longtime a perception that Islam was a fraternal partner to the Orthodox ministries, after Mohammed's involvement with the seven clerics. But for centuries propaganda has tried to cover that. Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
I have made several attempts to talk to a follower of Islam to try and understand their religion, no-one will really answer me. But what amazed me when I did get someone to talk was that they claim to respect Jesus, but none of them read or know anything about the Bible. I don't care what they believe in the broadest strokes, they don't believe Jesus was the Son of God, and the remaining niceties as far as I can see were included in Islam to help it take off by linking it to an existing religion nominally. They do not even know what Jesus said and did, or what His promises were, or even what He claimed about Himself. Broad acceptance that there was this guy named Jesus, and that He is with God now, is not Christianity. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Jason Henderson wrote:You are still "master of your own destiny" because you can decide to accept the invitation or to decline it. Even if you became a Christian, you would still have all the freedom you have now. If God is really an omnipotent being, he will already know my answer before I give it. He knew before I was born, what answer I would give. He's already made his judgement about me. My fate is sealed and I'm hardly master of my own destiny am I? Jason Henderson wrote: You don't understand Christianity very well. I understand it well enough. Even if your God does exist, Christianity is almost certainly a poor representation of what your God would want. The best thing your God ever did for us was giving us the ten commandments and those rules are enough to live by. What a shame no-one, especially the religious, follow such sensible rules Jason Henderson wrote: God is not indifferent, if you studied Christianity at all you would realize that. He has given you a way out! This world's suffering is our own doing, because we reject God at every opportunity. I will gladly explain as much as I can if you want me too. I don't have all the answers, because I'm still learning too. But if you really want to learn more, I can tell you what I know. Otherwise, you are judging something you have no understanding of. And all he would have to do is make himself known to us. That would sort everything out. But no, he'd rather tell us all that the challenge is to have faith and to do his will despite our short lives and tenuous grip on life. I have never rejected God, he has rejected me, because he didn't give me the ability to *have* faith. I'd love to believe there is a God but I simply don't believe and for me to demonstrate faith anyway, would of course be insincere - and a far greater sin than following God "just in case" he does exist as so many people do. God doesn't speak to me. I don't see him in the wonders of this world like some do. I see the reasons why early man needed a God, I see that such creatures as ourselves can only (possibly) ever have a fraction of understanding about what reality truly is, and despite wanting to believe in a God that loves us, I simply can't. I believe, if there ever is a judgement day, I can stand up and say that I followed the commandments of my own accord and not just because I was told to "fear" a "jealous" all-powerful God. I will live my life as I see fit, deciding for
phykell wrote: If God is really an omnipotent being, he will already know my answer before I give it. He knew before I was born, what answer I would give. He's already made his judgement about me. My fate is sealed and I'm hardly master of my own destiny am I? I have an 18 month old son and sometimes I know exactly what he is going to do ahead of time. Even if I tell him not to do something, he will still do it if he chooses to. He is still free to decide his own destiny. Just because God may know what you will ultimately do with your life, that doesn't mean he controls you. phykell wrote: I understand it well enough. Even if your God does exist, Christianity is almost certainly a poor representation of what your God would want. The best thing your God ever did for us was giving us the ten commandments and those rules are enough to live by. What a shame no-one, especially the religious, follow such sensible rules Why is Christianity a poor representation of what God would want? The Ten Commandments still apply today. Christ's teachings are the same thing. phykell wrote: And all he would have to do is make himself known to us. That would sort everything out. But no, he'd rather tell us all that the challenge is to have faith and to do his will despite our short lives and tenuous grip on life. That would make it easy wouldn't it. Unfortunately, that would not prepare us for what lies beyond this life. phykell wrote: I have never rejected God, he has rejected me, because he didn't give me the ability to *have* faith. You have the ability to believe and have faith. If God rejected you then what would be the point of trying to reach out to you with his Son? You must be receptive to what he is offering you before you can receive it. phykell wrote: I will live my life as I see fit, deciding for myself what is good and what is evil and I will challenge him as to why, seeing the terrible suffering going on in the World, did he allow it to continue as some sort of "test" simply to satisfy his own curiosity. I doubt that you will challenge him, but that's what you believe... Anyway, I can understand your scepticism and I realize why its hard to believe. I felt the exact same way a few years ago. But, whether you believe it or not, my thinking has been transformed since the day I became a Christian. It took time, like everything else, but