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  • E eddieangel

    There is a parent - child relationship between claim and property. Every property does have a claimId already. So in theory when looking to get all claim information (with properties) I could write:

    SELECT * FROM ClaimEvent
    WHERE targetId = @ClaimId
    OR targetId in (SELECT id FROM Property WHERE claimId = @ClaimId)

    That would get all of the event dates that I need, I just don't like to have to use the IN query if I could avoid it. In actuallity this is going to be accessed through LinqToEF so it is going look more like:

    var propertyIds = _db.Properties.Where(p => p.claimId == _claim.id).Select(p => p.id);
    ObservableCollection claimEvents =
    new ObservableCollection(_db.ClaimEvents
    .Where(c => propertyIds
    .Contains(p.claimId) || c.claimId == _claim.id));

    If the table had claimId and propertyId it would look like this:

    ObservableCollection claims = _db.ClaimEvents.Where(c => c.claimId == _claimId);

    I don't really think I like the additional overhead of the subquery (In this case the addition of var propertyIds due to L2EF limitations). Anyways, thanks everyone for your input, I am going to go ahead and add the propertyId field to the ClaimEvent table. I suppose I could go so far as to have ClaimEvent for Claim specific events and PropertyEvent for property specific events, and I might end up doing that, though it irks me to add yet another table.

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    eddieangel wrote:

    In actuallity this is going to be accessed through LinqToEF so it is going look more like:...

    You don't design a database based on how many characters a query takes so what is your point?

    eddieangel wrote:

    I don't really think I like the additional overhead of the subquery

    Because the tables will have hundreds of millions of rows? Or because you will be doing these queries hundreds of times a second? In either case you then design the database based on performance/volume needs - specifically. And if not then there is no measurable much less significant overhead so it doesn't matter.

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      eddieangel wrote:

      In actuallity this is going to be accessed through LinqToEF so it is going look more like:...

      You don't design a database based on how many characters a query takes so what is your point?

      eddieangel wrote:

      I don't really think I like the additional overhead of the subquery

      Because the tables will have hundreds of millions of rows? Or because you will be doing these queries hundreds of times a second? In either case you then design the database based on performance/volume needs - specifically. And if not then there is no measurable much less significant overhead so it doesn't matter.

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      I think I might have only gotten a partial view of your post because while I see the criticism I don't see anything helpful. Was it only a partial post? If not, thank you for your input. --EA

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        I think I might have only gotten a partial view of your post because while I see the criticism I don't see anything helpful. Was it only a partial post? If not, thank you for your input. --EA

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        eddieangel wrote:

        I don't see anything helpful.

        In either case you then design the database based on performance/volume needs - specifically. And if not then there is no measurable much less significant overhead so it doesn't matter.

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          eddieangel wrote:

          I don't see anything helpful.

          In either case you then design the database based on performance/volume needs - specifically. And if not then there is no measurable much less significant overhead so it doesn't matter.

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          Oh there it is, buried beneath condescension. Thank you for your input.

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          • E eddieangel

            Oh there it is, buried beneath condescension. Thank you for your input.

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            eddieangel wrote:

            Oh there it is

            Yep. Based on decades of experience with database including profiling them and designing them along with working on a number of ones with large volumes.

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              eddieangel wrote:

              Oh there it is

              Yep. Based on decades of experience with database including profiling them and designing them along with working on a number of ones with large volumes.

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              Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt the validity of the information you provided or your decades of information. Rather, I just wanted to check the size of the boot it was delivered on. If you can't find a way to be nice when someone asks a question, after decades of working in the field, maybe you should consider a better way to spend the next couple of decades. I might have only been at this for ten years but I have figured out that someone asking a question probably just wants an answer to that question, they don't need to pay the price of a brow beating or sarcasm because of my experiences. And that piece of knowledge comes from decades of being a decent human being. Consider it a fair trade for your piece of information and don't feel obligated to answer any of my questions going forward. That is my two cents, feel free to ignore it as I am sure I am just misinterpreting your tone on account of the internet being in between us.

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                Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt the validity of the information you provided or your decades of information. Rather, I just wanted to check the size of the boot it was delivered on. If you can't find a way to be nice when someone asks a question, after decades of working in the field, maybe you should consider a better way to spend the next couple of decades. I might have only been at this for ten years but I have figured out that someone asking a question probably just wants an answer to that question, they don't need to pay the price of a brow beating or sarcasm because of my experiences. And that piece of knowledge comes from decades of being a decent human being. Consider it a fair trade for your piece of information and don't feel obligated to answer any of my questions going forward. That is my two cents, feel free to ignore it as I am sure I am just misinterpreting your tone on account of the internet being in between us.

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                eddieangel wrote:

                Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt the validity of the information you provided or your decades of information. Rather, I just wanted to check the size of the boot it was delivered on. If you can't find a way to be nice when someone asks a question, after decades of working in the field, maybe you should consider a better way to spend the next couple of decades.

                Or perhaps you imposed your own emotional interpretation onto what I said?

                eddieangel wrote:

                I might have only been at this for ten years but I have figured out that someone asking a question probably just wants an answer to that question

                Having probably posted upwards of 100,000 replies on forums my experience is that people do often want the answer that they expect but they often (to some degree) do not know that alternatives exist.

                eddieangel wrote:

                And that piece of knowledge comes from decades of being a decent human being

                Mine comes from answering many, many questions.

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                  eddieangel wrote:

                  Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt the validity of the information you provided or your decades of information. Rather, I just wanted to check the size of the boot it was delivered on. If you can't find a way to be nice when someone asks a question, after decades of working in the field, maybe you should consider a better way to spend the next couple of decades.

                  Or perhaps you imposed your own emotional interpretation onto what I said?

                  eddieangel wrote:

                  I might have only been at this for ten years but I have figured out that someone asking a question probably just wants an answer to that question

                  Having probably posted upwards of 100,000 replies on forums my experience is that people do often want the answer that they expect but they often (to some degree) do not know that alternatives exist.

                  eddieangel wrote:

                  And that piece of knowledge comes from decades of being a decent human being

                  Mine comes from answering many, many questions.

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                  No emotional response, just basic manners. Be nice to people if you want them to be nice to you kind of stuff. I see you have a stellar reputation here and I am sure no one else has any problems. That is why I simply invited you to ignore my posts outright from here on out, there are 99,999 more posts that are less likely to provoke. Again, I have no problem with the quality of the answer of your question, I am sure you are very knowledegable in your field. Best of luck in your next 100,000 replies.

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                    No emotional response, just basic manners. Be nice to people if you want them to be nice to you kind of stuff. I see you have a stellar reputation here and I am sure no one else has any problems. That is why I simply invited you to ignore my posts outright from here on out, there are 99,999 more posts that are less likely to provoke. Again, I have no problem with the quality of the answer of your question, I am sure you are very knowledegable in your field. Best of luck in your next 100,000 replies.

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                    eddieangel wrote:

                    Be nice to people if you want them to be nice to you kind of stuff

                    My response was not intended to be nice nor not nice. Your assumption is that my response was not nice. That it in some way was intended to be not nice. That is you inferring something that isn't there.

                    eddieangel wrote:

                    nd I am sure no one else has any problems.

                    Other people have had various types of problems with my responses. Most are with the correctness of the technical advice that I gave.

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                      eddieangel wrote:

                      Be nice to people if you want them to be nice to you kind of stuff

                      My response was not intended to be nice nor not nice. Your assumption is that my response was not nice. That it in some way was intended to be not nice. That is you inferring something that isn't there.

                      eddieangel wrote:

                      nd I am sure no one else has any problems.

                      Other people have had various types of problems with my responses. Most are with the correctness of the technical advice that I gave.

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                      Well, thank you again for the additional correction. Good luck to you.

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