Death penalty speech

ColinDavies

If we are going to execute people, why don't we also still have amputations as a punishment ? If a person steals something from a store is it barbaric to amputate the offending appendage ? If it is barbaric then isn't executing people for offenses like murder also barbaric ? Regardz Colin J Davies

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Paul Watson

Jeremy Falcon wrote: Are you even man enough to get really pissed off about it to the point of wanting to kill him? Or would you just let it be. I would be monumentally angry. They would erect statues in my name showing what true anger is to the future generations. You would hear about it from under the north pole! Even if the guy was a 7 foot hulk of a beast I would want to be left with him in his cell so that I could tear his arms off and beat him with the bloody end. If he tore me limb from limb it would not be easy and I would be mildly content. But I would not want him to be put on death row for what he did. Killing him solves nothing. Killing him would mean I would never find out why he did it nor find out what tactic can get through to these maladjusted people and set them straight. Death row solves nothing except saving a few decades worth of prison meals.

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Rutger Ellen

Shog9 wrote: Well, that depends - what is the purpose of the death penalty? If it is revenge, then there are (IMHO) deeper issues with it than a few innocents getting killed. But i think there are (or could be) better uses for it, as a deterrent or to demonstrate the effectiveness of the judicial system. In these situations, it is perhaps not a failure so much as a regrettable side effect that some executions are carried out on people for the wrong reasons. Similar to a surgeon mistakenly amputating the wrong leg, such occurrences are the inevitable outcome of human fallibility - but not in itself a reason to ban either executions or surgery! You are comparing trying to save a life with taking one. That's INSANE. Trying to save a life or undergoing surgery is done at full awareness of the patient of his next of kin. Now you're the one at the wrong place at the wrong time and before you know it, it's darkness forever. No choice made, no the one making the choice that your life should be sacificed is taken by someone else IMHO death penalty is a mideval way of punishment.. it's not a punishment at all, a punishment is intendid to learn from (ok so you won't do it again but that is more a side effect :( Next thing you know we're taking away hands to prevent robbers from stealing again. Hey you should not hate the Afgans or Irakis they are just a step ahead of you Shog9 wrote: some executions are carried out on people for the wrong reasons. so you think that they deserved to die anyway ???? My opinion you cannot undo evil by doing evil to the one who did it. And killing someone is evil no matter who does it, Uncle Sam or a madcake on the streets. I am pro locking them away forever if needed that's no problem but taking a life nope. (you're right I am from Europe :) ) Rutger

KaRl

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Christian Graus

Paul Watson wrote: Death row solves nothing except saving a few decades worth of prison meals. And don't they get that back in numberplates in the USA ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
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Paul Watson

Christian Graus wrote: And don't they get that back in numberplates in the USA ? Sometimes I am not too sharp... you lost me here CG, what numberplates? What do they have to do with death row?

Paul Watson
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Christian Graus

I thought it was generally accepted that if you went to prison and DIDN'T get killed in the name of 'justice', that you spent your time making numberplates. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

Paul Watson

Christian Graus wrote: I thought it was generally accepted that if you went to prison and DIDN'T get killed in the name of 'justice', that you spent your time making numberplates. Ahhh, ok I did not know that. In SA prisoners are taught more feminine skills. Like making doileys and plastic chickens. Anything really to get them to make things tourists would want... which is a bit odd considering you would think we would want ex-cons as far away from tourists as possible.

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Definitely. State sponsored murder is still murder. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Well said Chris. :rose: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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KaRl

:wtf: do you do with plastic chicken ? :omg:, not :eek: ? (:rolleyes: )

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Vuemme

What if one of the guys on death row raped and killed your wife or daughter? Then what? Are you even man enough to get really pissed off about it to the point of wanting to kill him? I don't know if that is about being man, but I'll be so angry that I would kill anyone that is remotely suspected to be involved in the murder, without being much careful about his innocence! That's why it's better to keep the people who love the victims out of the inquiry. I don't know if killing the culprit will make me feel better, but I know for sure that this will not bring back to me my wife or my daughter. Sure, not everyone who's killed is guilty, but there are a hell of a lot more that are. Are you even human enough to get pissed off about that? -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD

Paul Watson

KaЯl wrote: do you do with plastic chicken ? LOL! No not that! That is a rubber chicken, plastic chickens are different! Basically people sell plastic chickens along side the road here. They make them out of black bags (rubbish bags), shopping bags, bits of plastic and wire. The end result is something that looks like a chicken. No idea what you are supposed to do with them other than put them in your house and "admire" it. I have not bought one.

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David Wulff

Because every human, no matter how logical and thoughtful, seeks revenge when they have been wronged, and the murder or the rape of a loved one is about as large a trigger as you could get. Punishment and rehabilitation back into a "safe" member of society, or even the life long incarceration of a person is no place for the family/persons lust for revenge. I'm sickened people could even imagine that could be called "justice" - even in parts of the world where a person is stoned to death for adultery or their hand is cut off for stealing, at least the punishment is for the act not for the sick gratification the people who were wronged. (that has no effect on it though it is clearly still part of it) The KKK kill for gratification - isn't it about time you stopped your government from doing the same too? Shog9 wrote: (btw: is there some issue with your sig these days? i can't seem to load it anymore [edit: 'k, it's started working again, nevermind ]) Don't be embarrassed - she's a temperamental bitch at the best of times and seems to like taking the occasional coffee break at the most inconvenient of times.

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I don't know about the plastic variety but I once saw an entertainer at a medieval show (Ok, this was in the pub after the public had gone!) juggle rubber chickens...it was hilarious! :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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KaRl

As for paul use, the market seems really tiny :-D

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Shog9 0

Well, amputation as punishment for stealing seems a bit counter-productive to me, but amputation for, say, cutting someone's hand off is sort of appealing. Perhaps this could be expanded a bit, so that say, someone running a mine would get a few pounds of carbon shoved down his throat every time a minor died of lung diseases. Might be interesting...

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Shog9 0

David Wulff wrote: Because every human, no matter how logical and thoughtful, seeks revenge when they have been wronged, and the murder or the rape of a loved one is about as large a trigger as you could get. Good answer. It *is* important that those serving justice are not influenced by a desire for vengance, though for the good of society it is sometimes necessary that they act to avenge others. David Wulff wrote: The KKK kill for gratification - isn't it about time you stopped your government from doing the same too? Yes. It's also about time they stopped imprisoning people for gratification, enacting social welfare programs for gratification, starting wars for gratification, levying taxes / enabling tax breaks for gratification... :rolleyes: "Government of & by the people" may be all well and good, but occasionally i'd like to see some politicians act a *little* less human, at least where human vices are concerned... :|

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Lost User

Shog9 wrote: Care must be taken when using either the hammer or the axe, and care must be taken also to avoid using the hammer when the axe is what is needed. This is so true. I found myself trying to drive nails in with an axe and splitting wood with a hammer. I failed miserably in both tasks. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002

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Michael Martin wrote: I found myself trying to drive nails in with an axe Accidentally whacking your thumb takes on a whole new level of horror, eh? :eek:

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