Counterspin: Pro-war mythology

Chris Maunder

I haven't seen a flame war about this for, oh, *days*, so here goes... http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/13/1041990224220.html

Fazlul Kabir

Chris Maunder wrote: Pro-war mythology [Sarcasm] Pro-Saddam propaganda [/Sarcasm]

Chris Losinger

Australia has now been added to the Axis of Evil! "Since they ain't for us. They must be against us! There can be no other way except the way it is!" shouted President Bush upon hearing the news. Sanctions have been enacted. No more dumb movies with clever kangaroos will be made until Australia apologizes for its actions and lifts its own sanctions on the Simpson family. -c

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Chris Maunder

I saw the shorts for that bizzare-o talking kangaroo film last December. Needless to say, when I got back home no one in Oz had ever heard mention of the movie. Cringe factor 5. cheers, Chris Maunder

KaRl

As said Talleyrand, "High treason is a question of the date" I like particulary these ones: "in December 1989, George Bush's father authorised new loans to Saddam in order to achieve the "goal of increasing US exports and put us in a better position to deal with Iraq regarding its human rights record ". Surprisingly, the goal was never reached. In February 1989, eleven months after Halabja, John Kelly, US Assistant Secretary of State, flew to Baghdad to tell Saddam Hussein that "you are a source for moderation in the region, and the United States wants to broaden her relationship with Iraq". "According to the report, this assistance included "chemical warfare-agent precursors; chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings; chemical warfare-filling equipment; biological warfare-related materials; missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment". These technologies were sent to Iraq until December 1989, 20 months after Halabja." I know understand why the US know Saddam has WMD: they give them to him. X|

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Chris Losinger

KaЯl wrote: they give them to him http://www.trinicenter.com/kwame/2002/Nov/

According to a Cable News Network (CNN)" Business News" Report by Steve Young on 20 February 1990: ..Saddam Hussein bought more than 70 percent of his chemical warfare arsenal or the makings from the so-called G-7 nations (major European industrial nations) Japan, France, United States, Italy, Britain and Germany; only Canada apparently sold nothing; experts say that's because Canada had no chemical weapons to sell. A report commissioned by the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles details how Germany sold more poison gases (and) chemicals to make them and testing facilities than any other country in the world.

so, yes. the US sold WMD stuff to Iraq, and so did half of Europe. still doesn't mean we have to start a war now. -c

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Jim Crafton

I think the US should just the bomb the hell out of whoever offends us. That is our moral imperative. We rock, everyone else sucks so there. PS: I didn't even read the article. I don't have to cause I'm a cool American. Neener, neener, neener :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!

KaRl

Chris Losinger wrote: Canada apparently sold nothing Does Canada have chemical/biological warfare :omg:? Chris Losinger wrote: experts say that's because Canada had no chemical weapons to sell Ah, that's what I was thinking If you have more valuable info than CNN, I will write to my deputy for the first time about that. Let's try the american way :) Chris Losinger wrote: so, yes. the US sold WMD stuff to Iraq, and so did half of Europe But we don't want to invade Iraq again :) Nah, our governments may acts like bloody bastards too, it's not a US speciality. Chris Losinger wrote: Germany sold more poison gases (and) chemicals to make them and testing facilities than any other country in the world. Germany is the country which is the most experienced with chemical weapons. And I'm thinking about WWI only X| I suppose we have this kind of weapons 'cause we don't want to be surprized again. Chris Losinger wrote: still doesn't mean we have to start a war now I agree for Iraq. I'm not so sure about North Korea

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Lost User

Damn straight. You've been doing so for the last 50 years, so why stop now? :laugh: :laugh: PS: I didn't read the article either. I don't have to because I'm a patronising even cooler Brit. Yah, boo, sucks!

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Lost User

KaЯl wrote: But we don't want to invade Iraq again Us Brits do! We can't wait to get stuck in! We can't afford it, our equipment is shite, and we're totally overstretched, but hell, lets muck in with out Yankee cousins! Plus we want second-dabs at that slice of oil pie and our shared of the inevitable post-war business contracts! :rolleyes:

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Lost User

Jim Crafton wrote: I don't have to cause I'm a cool American. Ain't you to old to be cool? ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002

Michael P Butler

Our best hope is for Saddam to invade Poland as Northern Europe is the place all our equipment is designed for. In the desert, our boots melt, the helicopter blade lifespan is reduced to seven hours, the tank airfilters malfunction and our guns need cleaning between shots. Not to mention our communication system doesn't work. In the Balkan conflict our troops were reduced to using their own mobile phones to communicate. Unless Saddam has built a large system of mobile phone towers as well as his weapons of mass destruction, we won't be able to talk between tanks. I just wish I was joking, Michael You gotta roll with it You gotta take your time You gotta say what you say Don't let anybody get in your way - Oasis

Ted Ferenc

Here is one more to keep the fires burning http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html[^]

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KaRl

"If Saddam didn’t have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heart’s content. Other leaders do it every day — think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt. " Ted Ferenc wrote: Here is one more to keep the fires burning Yep, temperature is rising :)

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Ted Ferenc

As in all things there generally has to be a vested interest before any action is taken. As long as it is "not in my back yard", or affect my people, or you have something I want, et. al. Fortunately there are some people out there that want to help the oppressed and hungry, but they are not in power!

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Michael P Butler wrote: Not to mention our communication system doesn't work. In the Balkan conflict our troops were reduced to using their own mobile phones to communicate. Unless Saddam has built a large system of mobile phone towers as well as his weapons of mass destruction, we won't be able to talk between tanks. I know. The Clansman radios the UK Army has are totally and utterly crap. A GSM phone is way more reliable and secure! As an aside, while I was at Racal Instruments I got hauled into the refit programme for the Clansman Base ATE (circa 1977) in 1994, and what we found when we started digging was appalling. It's a miracle the system ever worked. X| The stupid thing is that the replacements (Bowman) have been "close" to being ready for years...the Racal Comms unit (the Panther V) that the mobile radios were based on has been available since the mid 90's (another contract I got dragged into!). I shudder to think when the kit from the last job I worked on there (a mobile ATE system to support the RAF EH101 helicopter) will be deployed! :rolleyes: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Vuemme

This war propaganda it's only a joke :) As you can see from this picture mf. Rumsfeld and mr. Hussein are good friends since 1983: http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/rumsfeld.80s.jpg The american attack is schedule for april the 1st. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD

KaRl

I was right, Talleyrand was a genius! :cool:

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