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What kind of world are we living in? Need you ask? I took a cadaver class a couple years ago just for heck of it (my girlfriend was a massage therapist, and it counted as continuing education units, and I tagged along). I found it incredibly educational--seeing nerves and muscles and organs and touching them (through gloves). It was also disturbing, picturing this stuff inside ME. Oddly, I came away from the experience thinking that evolution theory is so full of it. I guess I fall into the category of "if it can't be understood, it must be magic (or God)". I find it really hard to believe that life just "evolved". Of course, that brings up the question, if "God" had a hand in it, then how did HE evolve??? Anyways, I think we accept evolution theory much too readily. The whole thing needs a lot more research. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Anyways, I think we accept evolution theory much too readily. The whole thing needs a lot more research concerning people who want to believe in god: no amount of research is going to convince them. for everyone else, evolutionary theory is as good an explanation as any - without requiring the absurdities of ghosts, magic or creeping zombie magicians. of course evolution itself doesn't disprove the existence of a god or gods; it merely says that they aren't required. but, for sets of ideas designed to control every aspect of your life, the demotion of god/gods to unnecessary is intolerable. -c
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2696517.stm[^] So it's okay to chop up a human body on TV, but make a joke about a guy who lived 2000 years ago and you get yourself into trouble. What kind of world are we living in? At least the Christ jokes were funny ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
Michael P Butler wrote: but make a joke about a guy who lived 2000 years ago and you get yourself into trouble Well it is on the BBC. I think they only showed Monty Pythons "life of Brian" once. And this on the special Pythons anniversary (a lot of years after the making). They even banned the Pythons from TV when that movie came out. They don't like Christ jokes... ----------------------- New and improved: kwakkelflap.com My second CP article: MAP files[^]
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Michael P Butler wrote: but make a joke about a guy who lived 2000 years ago and you get yourself into trouble Well it is on the BBC. I think they only showed Monty Pythons "life of Brian" once. And this on the special Pythons anniversary (a lot of years after the making). They even banned the Pythons from TV when that movie came out. They don't like Christ jokes... ----------------------- New and improved: kwakkelflap.com My second CP article: MAP files[^]
while (!:bob:.IsDrunk()) { :bob:.Drink( :beer: ); }Nah, I've seen that film lots of time on UK television -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Nah, I've seen that film lots of time on UK television -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: Nah, I've seen that film lots of time on UK television Darn, must have missed it every time. Only have BBC 1 and 2 though... No other UK channels. ----------------------- New and improved: kwakkelflap.com My second CP article: MAP files[^]
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benjymous wrote: Nah, I've seen that film lots of time on UK television Darn, must have missed it every time. Only have BBC 1 and 2 though... No other UK channels. ----------------------- New and improved: kwakkelflap.com My second CP article: MAP files[^]
while (!:bob:.IsDrunk()) { :bob:.Drink( :beer: ); }Ahh, all the good stuff is on Channel 4 :) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Marc Clifton wrote: Anyways, I think we accept evolution theory much too readily. The whole thing needs a lot more research concerning people who want to believe in god: no amount of research is going to convince them. for everyone else, evolutionary theory is as good an explanation as any - without requiring the absurdities of ghosts, magic or creeping zombie magicians. of course evolution itself doesn't disprove the existence of a god or gods; it merely says that they aren't required. but, for sets of ideas designed to control every aspect of your life, the demotion of god/gods to unnecessary is intolerable. -c
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for everyone else, evolutionary theory is as good an explanation as any - without requiring the absurdities of ghosts, magic or creeping zombie magicians. Oh sure, we just replace then with other absurdities. Like paleantologists asking for carbon dating to date a bone, and the carbon-daters asking the paleantologists to estimate the age of mineral deposit layer so they can calibrate their carbon-14 decay rates. Sort of a catch-22, isn't it? And let's not forget that there is absolutely no evidence to date for all these intermediate species that are supposed to have existed. Come on, where did feathers really come from? They didn't just sprout one day. Am I to be convinced that evolution, which says "survival of the fittest", really supported the evolution of a solid bone to a hollow bone as a slow sequence of events, and that all those intermediate species (of which we can't find any) actually were the "fittest" for their current environment? Look at what these people are saying--that proto-bird they just found in China (if it isn't a hoax) is supposed to exist 20 million years AFTER the FIRST bird. "The new species may represent an intermediate on the path to today's birds...and lived about 130 million years ago..." (Science News, Vol 163, No 4, 1/25/03). Wasn't that supposed to be archaeopteryx, "...the first bird..about 150 million years ago..."!?!?! I'm not saying creation theory is right, I just think that we should be at least as skeptical about science as we are about god/creation/whatever your belief system is. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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HOW DARE YOU CALL OUR LORD SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST "a guy who lived 2000 years ago"??? JESUS CHRIST LIVES, SOMEONE SHOULD TELL YOU WITH A BIG HAMMER! ;P Just keep an average profile, the PC Nazis will (hopefully) weed out themselves.
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for everyone else, evolutionary theory is as good an explanation as any - without requiring the absurdities of ghosts, magic or creeping zombie magicians. Oh sure, we just replace then with other absurdities. Like paleantologists asking for carbon dating to date a bone, and the carbon-daters asking the paleantologists to estimate the age of mineral deposit layer so they can calibrate their carbon-14 decay rates. Sort of a catch-22, isn't it? And let's not forget that there is absolutely no evidence to date for all these intermediate species that are supposed to have existed. Come on, where did feathers really come from? They didn't just sprout one day. Am I to be convinced that evolution, which says "survival of the fittest", really supported the evolution of a solid bone to a hollow bone as a slow sequence of events, and that all those intermediate species (of which we can't find any) actually were the "fittest" for their current environment? Look at what these people are saying--that proto-bird they just found in China (if it isn't a hoax) is supposed to exist 20 million years AFTER the FIRST bird. "The new species may represent an intermediate on the path to today's birds...and lived about 130 million years ago..." (Science News, Vol 163, No 4, 1/25/03). Wasn't that supposed to be archaeopteryx, "...the first bird..about 150 million years ago..."!?!?! I'm not saying creation theory is right, I just think that we should be at least as skeptical about science as we are about god/creation/whatever your belief system is. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Like paleantologists asking for carbon dating to date a bone they don't. carbon dating doesn't show anything past 40 or 50K years. it tells us nothing about dinosaurs. in other words, it's good for archeology and useless for paleontology. Marc Clifton wrote: And let's not forget that there is absolutely no evidence to date for all these intermediate species that are supposed to have existed so, you're 100% sure nobody is going to dig up something tomorrow that fits nicely between two already-known species? paleontologists have barely scratched the earth's surface. they tend to look in places like well-eroded deserts because there the interesting layers are near the surface and easy to get to. who knows what's buried in places they'll never be able to get to ? (like 100 feet into a mountain that so far they've only been able to get 3 feet into) Marc Clifton wrote: that proto-bird they just found in China well, looky there. the work isn't complete yet. Marc Clifton wrote: Wasn't that supposed to be archaeopteryx, "...the first bird..about 150 million years ago..."!?!?! if you want answers that are not open to change, questioning or new insights, you can read and follow the bible. if you're willing to let people learn, make theories, make discoveries, change the way things are classified and ultimately, the way people think, science is the answer, and science isn't always a smooth continuous venture. 100 years ago, people believed a lot of crazy things. Einstien, the Wright brothers, Chuck Yeager, NASA proved a whole lot of them wrong. -c
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Marc Clifton wrote: Like paleantologists asking for carbon dating to date a bone they don't. carbon dating doesn't show anything past 40 or 50K years. it tells us nothing about dinosaurs. in other words, it's good for archeology and useless for paleontology. Marc Clifton wrote: And let's not forget that there is absolutely no evidence to date for all these intermediate species that are supposed to have existed so, you're 100% sure nobody is going to dig up something tomorrow that fits nicely between two already-known species? paleontologists have barely scratched the earth's surface. they tend to look in places like well-eroded deserts because there the interesting layers are near the surface and easy to get to. who knows what's buried in places they'll never be able to get to ? (like 100 feet into a mountain that so far they've only been able to get 3 feet into) Marc Clifton wrote: that proto-bird they just found in China well, looky there. the work isn't complete yet. Marc Clifton wrote: Wasn't that supposed to be archaeopteryx, "...the first bird..about 150 million years ago..."!?!?! if you want answers that are not open to change, questioning or new insights, you can read and follow the bible. if you're willing to let people learn, make theories, make discoveries, change the way things are classified and ultimately, the way people think, science is the answer, and science isn't always a smooth continuous venture. 100 years ago, people believed a lot of crazy things. Einstien, the Wright brothers, Chuck Yeager, NASA proved a whole lot of them wrong. -c
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carbon dating doesn't show anything past 40 or 50K years. Ah yes. Consider myself corrected. Whatever it is though that they DO use, I read in a very interesting book (my a prominent scientist, not just some quack) that there are some real holes in the whole "dating" process. so, you're 100% sure nobody is going to dig up something tomorrow that fits nicely between two already-known species? No, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm skeptical. I'm very surprised that nothing has shown up. well, looky there. the work isn't complete yet. True--and we don't even know if it's an elaborate hoax. Several other claims have turned out to be hoaxes. if you're willing to let people learn, make theories, make discoveries, change the way things are classified and ultimately, the way people think, science is the answer, and science isn't always a smooth continuous venture. But I could use the same argument for those scientists that completely refudiate anything spiritual. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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carbon dating doesn't show anything past 40 or 50K years. Ah yes. Consider myself corrected. Whatever it is though that they DO use, I read in a very interesting book (my a prominent scientist, not just some quack) that there are some real holes in the whole "dating" process. so, you're 100% sure nobody is going to dig up something tomorrow that fits nicely between two already-known species? No, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm skeptical. I'm very surprised that nothing has shown up. well, looky there. the work isn't complete yet. True--and we don't even know if it's an elaborate hoax. Several other claims have turned out to be hoaxes. if you're willing to let people learn, make theories, make discoveries, change the way things are classified and ultimately, the way people think, science is the answer, and science isn't always a smooth continuous venture. But I could use the same argument for those scientists that completely refudiate anything spiritual. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Several other claims have turned out to be hoaxes my thoughts exactly. -c :beer:
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