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  • C Corporal Agarn

    I sometimes wonder if a giant EM pulse took out everything in the world, would it be a better place? No computers, no cell phones. Would miss the transportation. [edit]Actually saw a documentary about this the other day[/edit]

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    ZurdoDev
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    Unfortunately, with most great advancements in technology there are wonderful things and then terrible things. For example, with the internet it is incredibly easy to get access to information. But at the same time pornography is pervasive as well. So, getting rid of it all would get rid of a lot of evil but would also get rid of a lot of good.

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      Unfortunately, with most great advancements in technology there are wonderful things and then terrible things. For example, with the internet it is incredibly easy to get access to information. But at the same time pornography is pervasive as well. So, getting rid of it all would get rid of a lot of evil but would also get rid of a lot of good.

      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      Corporal Agarn
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      I was having a bad day. I know if I lived a hundred years ago, I would most likely be dead by now (health), but the work I would be doing would show more results. I really need to get into something different but I would need to learn a new skill.

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      • C Corporal Agarn

        I was having a bad day. I know if I lived a hundred years ago, I would most likely be dead by now (health), but the work I would be doing would show more results. I really need to get into something different but I would need to learn a new skill.

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        ZurdoDev
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        I would most likely be dead by now (health)

        I have no idea what you have specifically but it is ironic that many of our health problems are actually caused by modern technology. :) So, perhaps 100 years ago you would not have had these specific health problems.

        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          I would most likely be dead by now (health)

          I have no idea what you have specifically but it is ironic that many of our health problems are actually caused by modern technology. :) So, perhaps 100 years ago you would not have had these specific health problems.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          Corporal Agarn
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          You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better. :-D

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          • C Corporal Agarn

            You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better. :-D

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            ZurdoDev
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            Also my eating habits would be a lot better.

            But not as fun.

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            • Z ZurdoDev

              Unfortunately, with most great advancements in technology there are wonderful things and then terrible things. For example, with the internet it is incredibly easy to get access to information. But at the same time pornography is pervasive as well. So, getting rid of it all would get rid of a lot of evil but would also get rid of a lot of good.

              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              jschell
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              RyanDev wrote:

              But at the same time pornography is pervasive as well.

              Yes it was certainly much better when one needed to creep around in alleys to get it and people were getting beaten up and killed over it.

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              • C Corporal Agarn

                I sometimes wonder if a giant EM pulse took out everything in the world, would it be a better place? No computers, no cell phones. Would miss the transportation. [edit]Actually saw a documentary about this the other day[/edit]

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                jschell
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                djj55 wrote:

                No computers, no cell phones.

                No food. No medicine. No law. No governments. And instant reversion to the basest form of feudalism where one can be sure that luck was the most significant factor in whether one avoided the worst mankind has to offer. And where ones friends and family relied on luck to avoid the same as well.

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                • C Corporal Agarn

                  I was having a bad day. I know if I lived a hundred years ago, I would most likely be dead by now (health), but the work I would be doing would show more results. I really need to get into something different but I would need to learn a new skill.

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                  djj55 wrote:

                  ut the work I would be doing would show more results

                  And exactly what job do you think you would have been doing at your present age 100 years ago? Keeping in mind of course that it is very likely that your present position in life is also due to what your family did to raise you and so they would have been impacted as well.

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                  • C Corporal Agarn

                    You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better. :-D

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                    djj55 wrote:

                    You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better.

                    I seriously doubt that. Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US. Vitamin deficiencies were considered to be infectious diseases in 1900. "Fresh" food was kept on a block of ice or the window sill. Pasteurization of milk didn't exist. There was no regulation concerning food safety including pesticide use. In 1921, rickets was estimated to impact 75% of infants in New York City. Etc, etc, etc... http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4840a1.htm[^] And this doesn't address food availability. For example you probably consider it unusual to walk into a grocery store and not see oranges but it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food. Additionally, food cost more as a percentage of ones income.

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                      RyanDev wrote:

                      But at the same time pornography is pervasive as well.

                      Yes it was certainly much better when one needed to creep around in alleys to get it and people were getting beaten up and killed over it.

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                      people were getting beaten up and killed over it.

                      Wow. You grew up in a tough neighborhood.

                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        djj55 wrote:

                        You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better.

                        I seriously doubt that. Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US. Vitamin deficiencies were considered to be infectious diseases in 1900. "Fresh" food was kept on a block of ice or the window sill. Pasteurization of milk didn't exist. There was no regulation concerning food safety including pesticide use. In 1921, rickets was estimated to impact 75% of infants in New York City. Etc, etc, etc... http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4840a1.htm[^] And this doesn't address food availability. For example you probably consider it unusual to walk into a grocery store and not see oranges but it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food. Additionally, food cost more as a percentage of ones income.

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                        it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food.

                        Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.

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                        Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US.

                        And they weren't using chemicals.

                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          djj55 wrote:

                          No computers, no cell phones.

                          No food. No medicine. No law. No governments. And instant reversion to the basest form of feudalism where one can be sure that luck was the most significant factor in whether one avoided the worst mankind has to offer. And where ones friends and family relied on luck to avoid the same as well.

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          "No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?

                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            "No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?

                            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            RyanDev wrote:

                            "No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?

                            I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics. Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working. The chaos has a cascading effect which would severely hamper if not destroy any attempts to mitigate the problems with distribution of every item that that modern person expects. Nor the long term consequences of those failures on the very core of modern countries, namely cities.

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                              it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food.

                              Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.

                              Quote:

                              Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US.

                              And they weren't using chemicals.

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              RyanDev wrote:

                              Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.

                              Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.

                              RyanDev wrote:

                              And they weren't using chemicals.

                              Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900 and mercury and lead were two that were used. They were used to kill pests on the crop lands and cows certainly ingested them. And given that delivered meat could contain, amount other things, rats and rat feces and that there was very primitive human sanitation the number of deaths and disease where of course expected.

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                                people were getting beaten up and killed over it.

                                Wow. You grew up in a tough neighborhood.

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                Wow. I guess you know nothing about the history of pornography.

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                                  RyanDev wrote:

                                  "No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?

                                  I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics. Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working. The chaos has a cascading effect which would severely hamper if not destroy any attempts to mitigate the problems with distribution of every item that that modern person expects. Nor the long term consequences of those failures on the very core of modern countries, namely cities.

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics.

                                  :) You're not very good at guessing games.

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                                  Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working.

                                  Now your statement makes sense. I did not think the OP was suggesting all electronics would disappear rather instantly but rather a returning to the days before electronics were even invented.

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    RyanDev wrote:

                                    Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.

                                    Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.

                                    RyanDev wrote:

                                    And they weren't using chemicals.

                                    Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900 and mercury and lead were two that were used. They were used to kill pests on the crop lands and cows certainly ingested them. And given that delivered meat could contain, amount other things, rats and rat feces and that there was very primitive human sanitation the number of deaths and disease where of course expected.

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                                    Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.

                                    In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US. Perhaps you should research how a tomato gets to you. And then try tasting a tomato that you grew yourself. It may shock your whole world.

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                                    Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900

                                    You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning. All well.

                                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                      Wow. I guess you know nothing about the history of pornography.

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                                      I guess you know nothing about the history of pornography.

                                      Thank you. It's about time you pay a compliment.

                                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                        Quote:

                                        I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics.

                                        :) You're not very good at guessing games.

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                                        Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working.

                                        Now your statement makes sense. I did not think the OP was suggesting all electronics would disappear rather instantly but rather a returning to the days before electronics were even invented.

                                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                        jschell
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                                        RyanDev wrote:

                                        I did not think the OP was suggesting all electronics would disappear rather instantly

                                        The OP said "if a giant EM pulse took out everything in the world", which would be exactly that.

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                                          Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.

                                          In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US. Perhaps you should research how a tomato gets to you. And then try tasting a tomato that you grew yourself. It may shock your whole world.

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                                          Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900

                                          You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning. All well.

                                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                          RyanDev wrote:

                                          In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US

                                          Except of course it means exactly what I said - when it grows and they can deliver it to you it is in season. There are still crops which are only delivered at certain times of the year.

                                          RyanDev wrote:

                                          You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning

                                          "Meaning"? Perhaps you mean flights of fantasy about historical times rather than real knowledge and those that yearn for the fantasy without knowing anything at all about the reality. If so yes then I do get hung up on the "literal" view of reality.

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