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djj55 wrote:
You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better.
I seriously doubt that. Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US. Vitamin deficiencies were considered to be infectious diseases in 1900. "Fresh" food was kept on a block of ice or the window sill. Pasteurization of milk didn't exist. There was no regulation concerning food safety including pesticide use. In 1921, rickets was estimated to impact 75% of infants in New York City. Etc, etc, etc... http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4840a1.htm[^] And this doesn't address food availability. For example you probably consider it unusual to walk into a grocery store and not see oranges but it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food. Additionally, food cost more as a percentage of ones income.
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it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food.
Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.
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Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US.
And they weren't using chemicals.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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djj55 wrote:
No computers, no cell phones.
No food. No medicine. No law. No governments. And instant reversion to the basest form of feudalism where one can be sure that luck was the most significant factor in whether one avoided the worst mankind has to offer. And where ones friends and family relied on luck to avoid the same as well.
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"No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
"No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?
I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics. Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working. The chaos has a cascading effect which would severely hamper if not destroy any attempts to mitigate the problems with distribution of every item that that modern person expects. Nor the long term consequences of those failures on the very core of modern countries, namely cities.
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it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food.
Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.
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Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US.
And they weren't using chemicals.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.
Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.
RyanDev wrote:
And they weren't using chemicals.
Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900 and mercury and lead were two that were used. They were used to kill pests on the crop lands and cows certainly ingested them. And given that delivered meat could contain, amount other things, rats and rat feces and that there was very primitive human sanitation the number of deaths and disease where of course expected.
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people were getting beaten up and killed over it.
Wow. You grew up in a tough neighborhood.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
"No computers, no cell phones." = "No food. No medicine. No law. No governments." - What?
I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics. Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working. The chaos has a cascading effect which would severely hamper if not destroy any attempts to mitigate the problems with distribution of every item that that modern person expects. Nor the long term consequences of those failures on the very core of modern countries, namely cities.
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I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics.
:) You're not very good at guessing games.
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Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working.
Now your statement makes sense. I did not think the OP was suggesting all electronics would disappear rather instantly but rather a returning to the days before electronics were even invented.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
Yet foods are better for you when they are in season.
Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.
RyanDev wrote:
And they weren't using chemicals.
Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900 and mercury and lead were two that were used. They were used to kill pests on the crop lands and cows certainly ingested them. And given that delivered meat could contain, amount other things, rats and rat feces and that there was very primitive human sanitation the number of deaths and disease where of course expected.
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Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.
In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US. Perhaps you should research how a tomato gets to you. And then try tasting a tomato that you grew yourself. It may shock your whole world.
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Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900
You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning. All well.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I am guessing that you have absolutely no idea how dependent the modern world is on electronics.
:) You're not very good at guessing games.
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Nor the chaos that would happen if those electronics suddenly stopped working.
Now your statement makes sense. I did not think the OP was suggesting all electronics would disappear rather instantly but rather a returning to the days before electronics were even invented.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Basic nonsense, since for most purposes "in season" means when they can deliver the product to you.
In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US. Perhaps you should research how a tomato gets to you. And then try tasting a tomato that you grew yourself. It may shock your whole world.
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Nonsense. Pesticides were introduced far before 1900
You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning. All well.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US
Except of course it means exactly what I said - when it grows and they can deliver it to you it is in season. There are still crops which are only delivered at certain times of the year.
RyanDev wrote:
You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning
"Meaning"? Perhaps you mean flights of fantasy about historical times rather than real knowledge and those that yearn for the fantasy without knowing anything at all about the reality. If so yes then I do get hung up on the "literal" view of reality.
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I guess you know nothing about the history of pornography.
Thank you. It's about time you pay a compliment.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
I did not think the OP was suggesting all electronics would disappear rather instantly
The OP said "if a giant EM pulse took out everything in the world", which would be exactly that.
You're right. By the time you had responded I had forgotten that. The topic of going back to the old days is a common one so I completely forgot about the EMP.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
In season in Brazil does not mean in season in the US
Except of course it means exactly what I said - when it grows and they can deliver it to you it is in season. There are still crops which are only delivered at certain times of the year.
RyanDev wrote:
You're still hung up on the literal term "100 years" instead of the meaning
"Meaning"? Perhaps you mean flights of fantasy about historical times rather than real knowledge and those that yearn for the fantasy without knowing anything at all about the reality. If so yes then I do get hung up on the "literal" view of reality.
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Except of course it means exactly what I said
No, it doesn't.
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"Meaning"?
A return to times before electronics and not just literally 100 years ago.
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flights of fantasy about historical times
I wouldn't know what your fantasies are but I have read a lot of historical books and yes, there were a lot of things that were better then. For example, the FoxFire books talk about a group of people in North Georgia during the Great Depression. They never knew it even was happening. It did not affect them in the slightest bit because they were independent. They knew how to do everything they needed. Today, our markets only have a 3 day food supply at any given time. One serious natural disaster/occurrence can really screw things up quickly. We are too dependent.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
It's about time you pay a compliment.
And your ignorance goes back to my original comment.
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And your ignorance goes back to my original comment.
Yes, that I have no clue what you are talking about. I admitted that in the beginning so why are we doing this? You are so silly. "Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush.... " :zzz:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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djj55 wrote:
No computers, no cell phones.
No food. No medicine. No law. No governments. And instant reversion to the basest form of feudalism where one can be sure that luck was the most significant factor in whether one avoided the worst mankind has to offer. And where ones friends and family relied on luck to avoid the same as well.
jschell wrote:
No food. No medicine.
That would be true for a large portion of the world, however, many places can grow their own food and have knowledge of home remedies that work well.
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djj55 wrote:
You have a point. Also my eating habits would be a lot better.
I seriously doubt that. Until 1906 there were no regulations concerning meat processing in the US. Vitamin deficiencies were considered to be infectious diseases in 1900. "Fresh" food was kept on a block of ice or the window sill. Pasteurization of milk didn't exist. There was no regulation concerning food safety including pesticide use. In 1921, rickets was estimated to impact 75% of infants in New York City. Etc, etc, etc... http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4840a1.htm[^] And this doesn't address food availability. For example you probably consider it unusual to walk into a grocery store and not see oranges but it wasn't that long ago that oranges (and other fresh citrus varieties) were considered a seasonal food. Additionally, food cost more as a percentage of ones income.
Well I see you are a pessimist. Where I live they have been canning food for a couple of years (at least 100). The idea that you cannot produce what you need to survive is incorrect for everyone. Yes, large portions of the world would be in trouble. But I think things could work.
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I sometimes wonder if a giant EM pulse took out everything in the world, would it be a better place? No computers, no cell phones. Would miss the transportation. [edit]Actually saw a documentary about this the other day[/edit]
I take it you didn't watch Revolution[^]? Not quite an EM-pulse, but the end result was quite similar.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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jschell wrote:
No food. No medicine.
That would be true for a large portion of the world, however, many places can grow their own food and have knowledge of home remedies that work well.
djj55 wrote:
many places can grow their own food
Where? And what you you mean "grow their own food"? For example there are many wheat farms in kansas which means nothing because humans can't live on wheat alone and it is very likely that those farms would be incapable of bringing in the current harvest much less planting another.
djj55 wrote:
and have knowledge of home remedies that work well.
Nonsense. They "work well" because the alternative is nothing and the evidence is anecdotal and often based on the practitioner who has a vested, very vested, interest in promoting the positive outcome.
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Except of course it means exactly what I said
No, it doesn't.
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"Meaning"?
A return to times before electronics and not just literally 100 years ago.
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flights of fantasy about historical times
I wouldn't know what your fantasies are but I have read a lot of historical books and yes, there were a lot of things that were better then. For example, the FoxFire books talk about a group of people in North Georgia during the Great Depression. They never knew it even was happening. It did not affect them in the slightest bit because they were independent. They knew how to do everything they needed. Today, our markets only have a 3 day food supply at any given time. One serious natural disaster/occurrence can really screw things up quickly. We are too dependent.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
No, it doesn't.
Yes it does "to be currently available for selling" http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+season[^]
RyanDev wrote:
A return to times before electronics and not just literally 100 years ago.
Keep track of the sub-thread. The sub-thread from specific quotes was literally about 100 years ago.
RyanDev wrote:
They never knew it even was happening
And there were people who managed to stay very wealthy during the same time period. However the great mass of humanity didn't. And so to claim that if one was somehow magically transported to then WITHOUT qualification and yet to claim that one is going to be enjoying benefits of some small group (presuming that there were in fact actual benefits) is simply ridiculous. You might as well claim that you are going to buy Australia right now, erect a giant wall and start growing all your own food without using any "chemicals". Makes just as much sense.
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Well I see you are a pessimist. Where I live they have been canning food for a couple of years (at least 100). The idea that you cannot produce what you need to survive is incorrect for everyone. Yes, large portions of the world would be in trouble. But I think things could work.
djj55 wrote:
Where I live they have been canning food for a couple of years (at least 100)
The very existence of humanity proves that humans have been successfully feeding themselves well enough to continue to breed for a very long time. However you said it would have in fact been "better" and you did not qualify that in any way. And there is no evidence at all that the human condition was in fact better and quite a bit that would suggest otherwise. However if you were to get into a time machine with a lot of gold then it is possible that you personally could have lived "better" than that you do now including the food you it. But that is quite a bit more qualified than the statement you originally made.
