"Florida school board fires high school teacher who gave condom demonstration"

Mike Gaskey

Chris Losinger wrote: married people can use a condom, too If they're in the ninth grade and married then I don't care, but it doesn't change the fact that this is the parent's responsibility. Mike

Mike Gaskey

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Why should sex eduction be any different from (say) Maths, English etc.? What would you say about a class on the use and maintenance of a hand gun? Mike

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

As a parent myself I can understand that. On the general issue - do you think kids should receive sex education at school...even on an opt-in/opt-out basis? When I was in secondary school we did (as part of a Human Biology course), but the parents had the right to opt out. To my knowledge, no-one did. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I can't see how you'd do such a demonstration without at least the major props...and a banana or carrot is probably infinitely preferable to a more realistic alternative such as a dildo when dealing with kids. As for the so-called "mood lighting" and music, so what? It's probably a damn good way to get the kids attention and make the think instead of giggling uncontrollably. If he was playing blue movies to them, that would be an entirely different thing. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Shog9 0

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: In all honesty, if that had happened at my kids school I wouldn't have been upset at all Probably not. But my point was that there are most likely other subjects you'd rather, if not teach yourself, at least have a heads-up on when your kids will be exposed to. Whether such subjects would ever be taught in a UK school i couldn't say; it maybe you are one of the lucky parents whose views align perfectly with those of the teaching profession. But i doubt it... Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: my question was whether it should be taught, and whether the guy should have been dismissed for what seems to me like raising a subject the school doesn't want taught. He is an employee of the school, who are employed by the state, who are (*cough* nominally *cough*) employed by the public. If at your place of employment you start work on a project your employer doesn't want you doing, you don't think you'd deserve a rebuke?

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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: If he was playing blue movies to them, that would be an entirely different thing. 1) why? 2) what's a blue movie? 3) is it what i think it is? 4) why am i asking these questions in the wrong order?

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Oh come on! You can't compare sex education with teaching kids how to use an instrument of death. :wtf: However, there is a case for teaching kids (unarmed) self defence - and especially girls. That's rather different to teaching them to shoot people, don't you think? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Chris Austin

Mike Gaskey wrote: What would you say about a class on the use and maintenance of a hand gun? LOL!...Reminds me of the "talk" my dad and I had about the original topic when I was a kid. What Would Uncle Steve Do?. -Michael Martin

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Please tell me you're not serious! :omg: A blue movie is a "porno" in Yankish. ;) Now can you see why I drew the distinction between them? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Shog9 0

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: You can't compare sex education with teaching kids how to use an instrument of death. Sure you can. Both are controversial, both are things some parents would probably prefer not to have taught to their kids, or would prefer to teach themselves. Certain CPians believe both instruments of death and instruments of procreation should be tightly under government control. Why, in the current context, they're practically identical...!

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Mike Gaskey

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Oh come on! You can't compare sex education with teaching kids how to use an instrument of death. That was the reaction I was looking for. The point is that subjects such as these are the responsibility of the parents. You say, "instrument of death" and I say, "instrument of self defense" or "an instrument for sport". Who is right? Here's a hint, it depends upon the parents. Mike

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Shog9 wrote: Probably not. But my point was that there are most likely other subjects you'd rather, if not teach yourself, at least have a heads-up on when your kids will be exposed to. Whether such subjects would ever be taught in a UK school i couldn't say; it maybe you are one of the lucky parents whose views align perfectly with those of the teaching profession. But i doubt it... Personally I think the schools over here get it just about right. If they didn't teach sex education I'd want to know why. Shog9 wrote: He is an employee of the school, who are employed by the state, who are (*cough* nominally *cough*) employed by the public. If at your place of employment you start work on a project your employer doesn't want you doing, you don't think you'd deserve a rebuke? Yes. If he screwed up by not checking, he screwed up and should be rebuked, but not summarily dismissed - it sounds like that's happened because the school's afraid of the subject. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Shog9 0

Don't think i've heard the term... But yeah, i see why you drew the distinction. What if it was tasteful porn? bonus question: is "tasteful porn" an oxymoron?

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Ray Cassick

Mike Gaskey wrote: Teaching condom use gives implicit permission for sex outside of marriage. I don't see how it gives permission exactly. It is thinking like this that leads to people trying to convince us that making pot legal will lead to an increase in teenage pregnancy. If two kids are going to have sex, they are going to do it. Teaching how to use it does not imply anything. Do gun clubs in schools give implicit permission to go shot at anything you want? No, but if you ever DO handle a gun at least you know HOW. Hmmmm I just noticed my choice of analogy there… Condoms and Guns… Hmmm talk about a Freudian slip :)

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Chris Losinger

Mike Gaskey wrote: but it doesn't change the fact that this is the parent's responsibility. you assume parents actually take that responsibility. -c

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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: it sounds like that's happened because the school's afraid of the subject. I could see that. Now i've got the handgun thing stuck in my mind though, and i'd like to know - what form of rebuke would be appropriate for a self-defense instructor who without your permission demonstrated the use of handguns to your children, complete with mood music (c'mon, there's gotta be "music to kill by") and human-shaped dummies?

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Of course it does. What I was trying to ask in the first place was not just what everyone thinks of this specific incident, but what they think of sex education in schools generally. I'd a feeling that (partly because of the US reputation for being publicly prudish about sex and nudity) the answer in the US would be much more "anti" than Europe. The responses I've seen so far support that. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Chris Austin

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Oh come on! You can't compare sex education with teaching kids how to use an instrument of death. Oh No ;) The euphemism is more on the order of "That gun is loaded...keep in the holster" As far as learning to use a firearms; I have no problem with it. I learned to fire weapons before I was 15. It by no-means has made me or any of my family members psycho with a gun. But it did succeed in putting a fear of the weapon in my heart nor do I even own one. As far as self defense goes I'm all for it. Hell, I even teach a Martial Art called Tang Soo Do twice a week. Send them my way! What Would Uncle Steve Do?. -Michael Martin

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I can see your point, but I don't think it's a realistic comparison. Compare the benefits of teaching an entire generation of children to use firearms with those of teaching the same kids to act responsibly in personal relationships. Hmmm...no contest, I'm afraid. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Good example, so fair enough - you got me Chris! I guess this is one of those subjects where European morals and US morals barely get within shouting distance of each other ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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