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  • P Paul Watson

    A women in a queue today came within a hairs breath of getting a thumping from me. I don't hit women, but she came damned close to changing my mind. Basically she said how this Columbia disaster was a good thing for the fight against wasting money on space exploration (because world starvation could be cuerd by diverting the "trillions of trillions of dollars" to children in Africa rather.) Not only is she totally ignorant because so far nothing indicates it was an avoidable problem (i.e. the Challenger was a fault that is easily usable to discredit the space industry, this is not) but she has the audacit... the myopi... the fucking insaness to use the death of 7 people to further her ignorant cause. That she then walked out of the shop and into a brand new BMW made me even more enraged. A mother of three starving kids seeing the money spent on space I could sort of understand being anti it. But not a farking hypocrite who drives a BMW, has a $1mil house, eats more caviar pound for pound than maize meal the starving children her heart bleeds for and probably regularly uses technology derived from space research. So you see, I wanted to thump her. So, I was just wondering: How long before the anti-spacers come out and use this disaster against NASA and its funding? I give it 2 days. Hopefully the continuining recovery of debri will keep their mouths shut for a bit longer, but they will eventually bleet.

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
    Cape Town, South Africa

    Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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    Paul Watson wrote: I don't hit women When it comes to hitting, I don't make a distinction between men and women. :) I don't hit anyone. Try not to, atleast, and so far I have been successful, ever since I grew up. To me, when a person hits another person, it means he/she has lost control. Glad to see you were able to keep yourself in control. But when/if I do lose control, I won't see if it's a man or a woman. I'll go for it. It takes all kinds, remember, so just smile, shurg, growl, do whatever it takes, and then move on. :)
      Regards,

    Rohit Sinha

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      Paul Watson wrote: I don't hit women When it comes to hitting, I don't make a distinction between men and women. :) I don't hit anyone. Try not to, atleast, and so far I have been successful, ever since I grew up. To me, when a person hits another person, it means he/she has lost control. Glad to see you were able to keep yourself in control. But when/if I do lose control, I won't see if it's a man or a woman. I'll go for it. It takes all kinds, remember, so just smile, shurg, growl, do whatever it takes, and then move on. :)
        Regards,

      Rohit Sinha

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      Paul Watson
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      Rohit Sinha wrote: When it comes to hitting, I don't make a distinction between men and women. I get your point, it is logical. But I have been brought up not to ever hit a woman, it is just not cricket. I once threw a ball at my sisters head, but I was 12 and she was running around the garden yelling that I threw like a girl. :rolleyes:

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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      • P Paul Watson

        Rohit Sinha wrote: When it comes to hitting, I don't make a distinction between men and women. I get your point, it is logical. But I have been brought up not to ever hit a woman, it is just not cricket. I once threw a ball at my sisters head, but I was 12 and she was running around the garden yelling that I threw like a girl. :rolleyes:

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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        Paul Watson wrote: But I have been brought up not to ever hit a woman, it is just not cricket. Me too. But what I meant was, I don't hit anybody, man or woman. :)
        Regards,

        Rohit Sinha

        Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
        - Abraham Lincoln

        The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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        • M Michael A Barnhart

          Well, I can not quite recent figures but some time back I saw figures that showed when you look at spawned off industry (like the PC Market) NASA has actually made more revenue for the US than it cost. Now throw in the lives that have been improved with the technologies and it is one of the clearly good things the US Gov has promoted IMO. "I will find a new sig someday."

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          Michael A. Barnhart wrote: NASA has actually made more revenue for the US than it cost. I agree. But its difficult to really calculate what the output has been and easy to calculate what the input is. It's similar to tertiary (or any) education programs. You can easily see what they cost but the returns are impossible to see. Regardz Colin J Davies

          Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

          I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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          • P Paul Watson

            A women in a queue today came within a hairs breath of getting a thumping from me. I don't hit women, but she came damned close to changing my mind. Basically she said how this Columbia disaster was a good thing for the fight against wasting money on space exploration (because world starvation could be cuerd by diverting the "trillions of trillions of dollars" to children in Africa rather.) Not only is she totally ignorant because so far nothing indicates it was an avoidable problem (i.e. the Challenger was a fault that is easily usable to discredit the space industry, this is not) but she has the audacit... the myopi... the fucking insaness to use the death of 7 people to further her ignorant cause. That she then walked out of the shop and into a brand new BMW made me even more enraged. A mother of three starving kids seeing the money spent on space I could sort of understand being anti it. But not a farking hypocrite who drives a BMW, has a $1mil house, eats more caviar pound for pound than maize meal the starving children her heart bleeds for and probably regularly uses technology derived from space research. So you see, I wanted to thump her. So, I was just wondering: How long before the anti-spacers come out and use this disaster against NASA and its funding? I give it 2 days. Hopefully the continuining recovery of debri will keep their mouths shut for a bit longer, but they will eventually bleet.

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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            On a similar note - I heard on the news this morning that some website was shut down late last night for selling pieces of the shuttle over the internet X| Sick world.


            A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch

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              Absolutely, especially if we could name names!:-D Nobody wants to read a diary by someone who has not seen the shadow of Bubba on the prison shower wall in front of them!
              Paul Watson, on BLOGS and privacy - 1/16/2003

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              Absolutely, especially if we could name names Why not? Get sued for defamation of character, or something like that? The posters would be anonymous. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
              Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
              Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
              Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                Paul Watson wrote: whatever she has got. Stupidity Transmitted Disease?:suss: Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell

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                Rob Graham wrote: Stupidity Transmitted Disease? Children? :suss:


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                • P Paul Watson

                  A women in a queue today came within a hairs breath of getting a thumping from me. I don't hit women, but she came damned close to changing my mind. Basically she said how this Columbia disaster was a good thing for the fight against wasting money on space exploration (because world starvation could be cuerd by diverting the "trillions of trillions of dollars" to children in Africa rather.) Not only is she totally ignorant because so far nothing indicates it was an avoidable problem (i.e. the Challenger was a fault that is easily usable to discredit the space industry, this is not) but she has the audacit... the myopi... the fucking insaness to use the death of 7 people to further her ignorant cause. That she then walked out of the shop and into a brand new BMW made me even more enraged. A mother of three starving kids seeing the money spent on space I could sort of understand being anti it. But not a farking hypocrite who drives a BMW, has a $1mil house, eats more caviar pound for pound than maize meal the starving children her heart bleeds for and probably regularly uses technology derived from space research. So you see, I wanted to thump her. So, I was just wondering: How long before the anti-spacers come out and use this disaster against NASA and its funding? I give it 2 days. Hopefully the continuining recovery of debri will keep their mouths shut for a bit longer, but they will eventually bleet.

                  Paul Watson
                  Bluegrass
                  Cape Town, South Africa

                  Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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                  Well, they're already talking about it on the radio this morning. "Should we give NASA 3-4 billion for a new shuttle? Where is the money coming from? Can we rationalize the value of the program? blah..blah..blah.." I don't mind the discussion over the program, its value, and possible flaws. That's all great. But why does it always take some catastrophe to bring up the debate? You would think at this point in our history, we would have learned a little about when its OK to take short-cuts and when quality is imperative. As far as "using disaster", the media are disgusting. Why are they picking up on this story? Is it the cool footage? The fact that debris is scattered about Texas? Why is this accident so alluring to the media? people die at work every single day, and I'd guess more than 7 of them per day. Sure they might not all have glorious jobs like these astronauts, but what does that matter? Why is this getting 24/7 coverage? I guess I'm just seeing too much of the Sept.11 type over-coverage being repeated for this. Interviewing relatives, even people who are finding debris. WTF?! Give me a break!! It's not that I don't feel for the families who've lost, but do they really need continuous national coverage? Do they need to believe the whole nation is sitting at home crying about it? Probably not, but it sures does wonders for the ratings. Anyway, who wants to hear about the 40 dead in Zimbabwe? :~ [sigh..] BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

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                    Well, they're already talking about it on the radio this morning. "Should we give NASA 3-4 billion for a new shuttle? Where is the money coming from? Can we rationalize the value of the program? blah..blah..blah.." I don't mind the discussion over the program, its value, and possible flaws. That's all great. But why does it always take some catastrophe to bring up the debate? You would think at this point in our history, we would have learned a little about when its OK to take short-cuts and when quality is imperative. As far as "using disaster", the media are disgusting. Why are they picking up on this story? Is it the cool footage? The fact that debris is scattered about Texas? Why is this accident so alluring to the media? people die at work every single day, and I'd guess more than 7 of them per day. Sure they might not all have glorious jobs like these astronauts, but what does that matter? Why is this getting 24/7 coverage? I guess I'm just seeing too much of the Sept.11 type over-coverage being repeated for this. Interviewing relatives, even people who are finding debris. WTF?! Give me a break!! It's not that I don't feel for the families who've lost, but do they really need continuous national coverage? Do they need to believe the whole nation is sitting at home crying about it? Probably not, but it sures does wonders for the ratings. Anyway, who wants to hear about the 40 dead in Zimbabwe? :~ [sigh..] BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

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                    brianwelsch wrote: Anyway, who wants to hear about the 40 dead in Zimbabwe? Glad someone heard about that :| 30 died in a similar accident last week in SA. Look, I understand that a space shuttle exploding is more newsworthy than a goods train hitting a passenger train (what I don't like there is that if the same accident happened in the US then it would be all over the news.) But as you said it is disaster they focus on, not triumph. I did not see any footage of Columbia taking off until the disaster happened and they focused in on the left wing damage. Did not see much of the work they did up there either. Ah well. I just don't buy the paper when they hype stories like this.

                    Paul Watson
                    Bluegrass
                    Cape Town, South Africa

                    Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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                      brianwelsch wrote: Anyway, who wants to hear about the 40 dead in Zimbabwe? Glad someone heard about that :| 30 died in a similar accident last week in SA. Look, I understand that a space shuttle exploding is more newsworthy than a goods train hitting a passenger train (what I don't like there is that if the same accident happened in the US then it would be all over the news.) But as you said it is disaster they focus on, not triumph. I did not see any footage of Columbia taking off until the disaster happened and they focused in on the left wing damage. Did not see much of the work they did up there either. Ah well. I just don't buy the paper when they hype stories like this.

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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                      Paul Watson wrote: I did not see any footage of Columbia taking off until the disaster happened Exactly!! You only hear about triumph or good deeds, when shown as part of a tragedy. And when that happens chances are a movie will be made a few years later, to make sure we milk it for every penny its worth. Perhaps some limited edition action figures of these astronauts will be made in the meantime, or possibly some stickers for our car windows proclaiming our grief to passersby. Here is the PressKit of the mission, if you're interested. http://www.nasa.gov/columbia/STS-107_PK.pdf[^] (13MB) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

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                      • P Paul Watson

                        brianwelsch wrote: Anyway, who wants to hear about the 40 dead in Zimbabwe? Glad someone heard about that :| 30 died in a similar accident last week in SA. Look, I understand that a space shuttle exploding is more newsworthy than a goods train hitting a passenger train (what I don't like there is that if the same accident happened in the US then it would be all over the news.) But as you said it is disaster they focus on, not triumph. I did not see any footage of Columbia taking off until the disaster happened and they focused in on the left wing damage. Did not see much of the work they did up there either. Ah well. I just don't buy the paper when they hype stories like this.

                        Paul Watson
                        Bluegrass
                        Cape Town, South Africa

                        Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!

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                        It's perhaps specific to european TV media, but I'm quiet sure each time the Shuttle or Ariane takes off I see a report on it. IMO it's always impressive and fascinating.


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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          Absolutely, especially if we could name names Why not? Get sued for defamation of character, or something like that? The posters would be anonymous. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                          Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                          Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                          Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                          Sadly true... but one can dream! Nobody wants to read a diary by someone who has not seen the shadow of Bubba on the prison shower wall in front of them!
                          Paul Watson, on BLOGS and privacy - 1/16/2003

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