Wrong Message To the Muslim World

ColinDavies

Ejaz Haider is a hate maker. He was not arrested because he was Muslim but because he was an illegally unregistered alien. So why is the word Muslim used in the title of the article. I'm sure not all Pakistanis are not Muslims. (Although most probably are) But all Pakistani adults must register. There is no discrimination on race or religion in this. Possibly you could say it's discriminating on nationality. But big deal, thats the internal affairs of the USA. Personally I think anyone unregistered should be bundled on a plane and never allowed readmission back in. Articles like his are a distortion of the truth. Any American who goes to Pakistan should expect to have to obey the laws of the land there as well, whether they know them or not. His plea of ignorance is a crock of crud. It was his responsibility to be informed, not the authorities responsibility to inform him. Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

Lost User

Colin Davies wrote: Ejaz Haider is a hate maker. The hatred for America in Pakistan is highest in the world. There are many reasons for it and not only Sep 11 or registration or Ejaz Haider. Infact in Iran and North Korea there are few pro American elements, but none in Pakistan. Colin Davies wrote: He was not arrested because he was Muslim but because he was an illegally unregistered alien. I first read the interview of Ejaz Hjaider published on a Pakistani news paper website. The paper quoted him saying that US government has given some time period for any one to get registered, and one can go to registration office according to his convenience within that period. As such he decided to get himself register just one week before the end of registration period, but he (and many others) were taken in custody much before the end of registration period. Colin Davies wrote: But big deal, thats the internal affairs of the USA. No this is not the internal affair of US. Pakistani whether living inside his country or in US is badly effected. There is no privacy anywhere inside Pakistan. FBI cameras are found everywhere, inside parks, schools, hotels, shopping centres, business areas, airports; everywhere some eye is watching everyone. The cameras inside airports are directly controlled from US. The governmet extended all sort of support to Washington for its "war" against terror, and the result is public harrasment in this manner. Colin Davies wrote: I think anyone unregistered should be bundled on a plane and never allowed readmission back in. But this should only happen if the required time of registration is over (Feb 22 for Pakistan). Colin Davies wrote: There is no discrimination on race or religion in this. I am not muslim and i came to US about years ago from Pakistan and i faced no trouble in registration process there. But many of my muslim countrymates from Pakistan who came with me around the same time are having trouble, though both theirs and mine stay status is same.

ColinDavies

Paul Antonio wrote: No this is not the internal affair of US. It looks like we disagree. :-) I am referring to the laws of the USA. If the USA decides that all aliens or visitors should wear 'special hats' or Pakistan decides this, that is the internal affairs of the respective nations. Any country has the sovereign right to be xenophobic. For example if Pakistan decides that all foregn visitors need to report to a police station weekly, I would defend the Pakistan Governments right to do this. I have travelled and worked in a variety of countries and have had to put up with beauracratic nonsense often given to foreigners there. Never have I created hate by saying that I was being persecuted because of my religeon for this. I refer to his words "As a visiting scholar from Pakistan, where I am an editor, " and "The argument that, as a Brookings scholar" shows utter arrogant pompousness in his attitude. Big deal that he is a scholar, what difference should this make to any police officials. He mentions how he was stripped of his belt and shoelaces. I think he should find that it assuring that the police are even keen to protect himself against himself. As a non-american, I don't understand why I or any other non-amercan would be given special rights as a visitor like he seems to infer he should recieve because of his "scholar status." Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

Rohit Sinha

Paul Antonio wrote: There is no privacy anywhere inside Pakistan. Paul, while I don't know any details, from what you wrote it seems that the Pakistani government allowed those cameras to be fitted, security checks to be installed, etc. So really you should talk to your government before blaming the US. There is a reason why that is happening in your country. How many other countries is this happening in? Lots of others are extending their co-operation for the war on terror. Terrorism is a bad thing, as I'm sure you agree, and facing a little inconvenience to end it should be OK I think. When a lot of people from a country do something, others from there have to pay some kind of price. For example, when the police wants to catch someone, they put up those border checks which everyone crossing the city limits has to go through. You can't say, "Hey, I didn't do anything wrong, so why are you bothering me?". Paul Antonio wrote: I am not muslim and i came to US about years ago from Pakistan and i faced no trouble in registration process there. But many of my muslim countrymates from Pakistan who came with me around the same time are having trouble, though both theirs and mine stay status is same. Care to guess why? If it had been about the Muslims, Muslims from India would have been "harassed" in the same way. But so far I've heard or read about no incident where a Muslim from India had to face any kind of trouble. They don't even have to go through the extra registration process (yet) that guys from some other countries have to. Why? Think about it.
Regards,

Rohit Sinha

Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
- Abraham Lincoln

The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
- Anonymous

Imran Farooqui

Rohit Sinha wrote: If it had been about the Muslims, Muslims from India would have been "harassed" in the same way. After September 11 incident, Indian Sikhs were also targetted, guess for what, yes, for the reason that they had thick beards on their faces and they look like muslims and because of this reasons, Sikhs held various rallies across the US to tell people that they are not Talibans ;P Rohit Sinha wrote: it seems that the Pakistani government allowed those cameras to be fitted, security checks to be installed, etc. No, this the main problem that FBI is carrying out operations in Pakistan "without" any permission from the government. Many doctors in Pakistan were taken under arrest after that Anthrax hoax, and the government was completely unaware that where they had been taken. Its ok that government is helping US agencies but there are many incidents recently that only FBI alone carried operations and ofcourse Government made protest.

Brad Jennings

Colin Davies said: Personally I think anyone unregistered should be bundled on a plane and never allowed readmission back in. Exactly. If they didn't have enough respect for US rules to register then they shouldn't be allowed back into the country when they get caught regardless of nationality or religion. Rules are rules. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

Anonymous

Brad Jennings wrote: enough respect for US rules US rules and respect :-D Do they respect rules of other countries?? Didn't they throw missile inside Yemen to kill "terrorists"... Didn't their spy planes violated Chinese air space ???

Mike Gaskey

Anonymous wrote: Didn't they throw missile inside Yemen to kill "terrorists Yes, and in colusion with the Yemmeni gov. One o fthe terrorists, by the way, was from America and was being sought as a part of the Buffalo 6, all trained un Al Q. Anonymous wrote: Didn't their spy planes violated Chinese air space ??? No. China claims 200 miles off shore, few countries recognize that limit - 3 miles os the norm. Mike

Roger Wright

Paul Antonio wrote: FBI cameras are found everywhere, inside parks, schools, hotels, shopping centres, business areas, airports; everywhere some eye is watching everyone. The cameras inside airports are directly controlled from US. It would be very interesting to see some proof of this. Is there a link to something other than unfounded accusations in an inflamatory newspaper? I ask because the FBI has no authority outside the US, so this comes as a surprise to me. The Bureau does assist other governments when requested, but never on their own authority. They are a domestic police force, limited in their operations to the continental US and properties of the US government (like military bases and embassies) in other countries. Nobody wants to read a diary by someone who has not seen the shadow of Bubba on the prison shower wall in front of them!
Paul Watson, on BLOGS and privacy - 1/16/2003

Rohit Sinha

Imran Farooqui wrote: After September 11 incident, Indian Sikhs were also targetted, guess for what, yes, for the reason that they had thick beards on their faces and they look like muslims Yes, you are right, that did happen in fact. But there was nothing from the US government, but by the normal people who were confused of the origin of the Sikhs. You have to remember that tension was very high back then and everybody was feeling paranoid, vulnerable and angry at the same time. The similarity because of the beard and turban was what led people to do it. Imran Farooqui wrote: FBI is carrying out operations in Pakistan "without" any permission from the government. Really? :omg: I didn't know that the FBI operated outside the US. ;P I think you mean to say some US agency when you say FBI, and are just using it loosely. In that case, either the US agency is very efficient at sly operations, or the Pak government leaves much to be desired. I mean without the government's knowledge? And why weren't those cameras removed after the authorities learned about them? Do you have any link to subtantiate your claim?
Regards,

Rohit Sinha

Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
- Abraham Lincoln

The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
- Anonymous

brianwelsch

I imagine, it is not uncommon for leaders to make special arrangements unknown to the general population. So Pakistani government's "protest" is probably all part of the deal. Why would the Pakistani government allow the US to remain at all, if it knew they were illegally detaining people? Pretty weak government if thats the case. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White

Fazlul Kabir

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

That was the intended analogy I tried to convey. -- "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

Imran Farooqui

Rohit Sinha wrote: I didn't know that the FBI operated outside the US. You are absolutely wrong, maybe unaware. FBI is extremely active in Pakistan. I am unable to provide you any link because i am busy in Cricket :) but still have a look here. Infact they arrived in India without invitation of West Bengal govt :-D

Imran Farooqui

Roger Wright wrote: The Bureau does assist other governments when requested, but never on their own authority. You are absolutely right, initially FBI started its activities after the permission of government but now they are out of control.

Anonymous

Rohit Sinha wrote: I didn't know that the FBI operated outside the US. Rubbish statement of the century, atleast you can look google.

Kant

Imran Farooqui wrote: You are absolutely wrong, maybe unaware. FBI is extremely active in Pakistan. FBI in Pakistan??? :confused: From the above link: LAHORE: After installing hi-tech top of the line computer system -- PISCES -- at Karachi and more recently at Lahore Airport to check the US-wanted citizens boarding international flights, the FBI is going to install close-circuit cameras (CC) at selective spots in Karachi to monitor the movement of the suspects. I think FBI is a federal authority within in USA. I am still confused.. :~ They are installing the cameras in the International Airport, which btw comes under International Area eventhough the Airport is in Pakistan. Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

Lost User

Rohit Sinha wrote: And why weren't those cameras removed after the authorities learned about them? Their warships are in Arabian sea. Rohit Sinha wrote: but by the normal people who were confused of the origin of the Sikhs. Indian muslims are also worried in US. I've read the news of many incidents like these[^] in past 6 months.

Lost User

brianwelsch wrote: Why would the Pakistani government allow the US to remain at all, if it knew they were illegally detaining people? Pretty weak government if thats the case. Warships in the Arabian sea are not far away from Pakistani coast. ;)

Michael A Barnhart

Shehzad Ansari wrote: Indian muslims are also worried in US. Why do you elect to just say "Indian Muslims". Do you expect the US authorities to ignore a report that someone looked like a suspect? Not that it is good that innocent people are held but it is a fact of life. It is not based on him being Indian or Muslim. When I was younger a fight happened in a city that I was driving by. My car looked like one seen with people leaving the scene and my jacket was typical of the style worn. I was held for awhile until it was shown where I can come from could be clearly established. Authorities were looking for someone and I happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was nothing against me. Now a few questions? It would be totally against US law for the FBI to place this equipment, unless their aid had been requested by the government in question. So assume they are breaking the law. Do you honestly think the US citizens would knowingly allow this? Not to be offensive but I do feel that to much of your information is coming for propaganda source. Now I do not expect that none of your information comes from propaganda, that happens through out the world and is back to a fact of life. We must try to sort out what is propaganda and what is not. "I will find a new sig someday."