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  • C ColinDavies

    If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and he allows Al-Queda to attack the free world. There is a chance that some of my family could be killed. So what are these protestors playing at ? Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies. Regardz Colin J Davies

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    I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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    Colin Davies wrote: So what are these protestors playing at ? Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies. I think in a democracy one's right is to advance an opinion. So how can you compare protestors with terrorists? Are they driven by some insane intentions? Are protestors doing violence against innocent people? If terrorists would only go out on the street and utter it's opinion than they wouldn't be terrorists any more, you could compare them with protestors and the whole Iraq and AlQuaeda related sh*t wouldn't play a role any more.

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      a) Gave you a 5 on it not because I agree with you (I prolly dis~), but because I think it's a valid question. The best armed country in the world for the first time promotes a "First Strike" policy The best armed country in the world plans to ignore proceedings that have evolved from the peace of westfalia, WW1, and WW2, to prevent yet another mass killing. The best armed country in the world is changing alliances like we should our underwear. The best armed country in the world employs a "who is not for us is against us" strategy - even against it's long term allies The best armed country of the world just increased it's "defense" spending to over one billion / day. This is not Italian Lira, this is US$. The best armed country in the world, which never had to defend itself on it's main land mass, is going to "defend" itself thousand miles and one ocean from home The best armed country in the world considers "if you cannot proof you don't have shit, we assume you have" enough to go to war. The best armed country in the world is willing to replace international right by law of the fist. We have all reasons to be afraid. Saddam never threatened to use his remaining WMD's against the US. The 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia, a current US ally. Even hardliners agree that Saddam has almost no means to propel his nasstiess far out of hist country. When Iraq is invaed, his remaining nasstiess will be shattered across the entire middle east, no longer guarded by a lunatic "that's my toy!" dictator._


      So many people long for eternity that don't know what to do on a rainy sunday afternoon.
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      Yeah, as you may have guessed my post was sarcastic and I'm playing devil's advocate. The two opposing sides now, protestors and ant-war versus the Bush admin have got so far apart that there appears to be no middle ground left. Honestly I don't trust neither GWB, Saddam or Chirac or Putin etc, they all have there own agendas. For crying out loud, lets remember Iraq has Oil reserves ! Regardz Colin J Davies

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      I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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        Colin Davies wrote: So what are these protestors playing at ? Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies. I think in a democracy one's right is to advance an opinion. So how can you compare protestors with terrorists? Are they driven by some insane intentions? Are protestors doing violence against innocent people? If terrorists would only go out on the street and utter it's opinion than they wouldn't be terrorists any more, you could compare them with protestors and the whole Iraq and AlQuaeda related sh*t wouldn't play a role any more.

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        yeah, I have heard an idea of how Palestine could have screwed Israel by using Peace as a wepaon similar to Ganhdi did in India. I think thouh that are lot of other forces are involved in the Palestine Israel troubles. But 50 yrs of violence has not got them very far. Regardz Colin J Davies

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        • C ColinDavies

          If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and he allows Al-Queda to attack the free world. There is a chance that some of my family could be killed. So what are these protestors playing at ? Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies. Regardz Colin J Davies

          Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

          I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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          Colin Davies wrote: So what are these protestors playing at ? As one of them, I'll bite... Colin Davies wrote: If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction Proof please Colin. Colin Davies wrote: he allows Al-Queda to attack the free world Eh? What are you talking about? Bin Laden has said that he is not a supportor of Iraq, and Saddam has said he is not a supportor of Al-Queda. I fail to see how Saddam allows Al-Queda to do anything. Colin Davies wrote: These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies. Whilst I like the thought of being regarded as dangerous (jest), your wrong, and bang out of line pal. Saddam is clearly a plank, and something needs to be done to help the people of Iraq, bombing them isn't going to help anyone though. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those that rules war out, but it must be the very last option, and we must accept that by going to war we have failed as human beings to look after the human race. I fully understand your feelings for looking out for your familly; I live in London, and the people here think that when we go to war, we're likely to see bombings here in London. So I get what your worried about. Hell, I'm scared too. But being scared doesn't mean we can kill one another. To answer your question Colin: we are trying to get society to do the right thing. We are trying to get our goverments to look for alternative way's of resolving this issue. We trying to make sure the people of Iraq don't suffer further at the hands of the west. Must be a fcuk load of fun being in Iraq eh? Die at the hands of Saddam, or die at the hands of Bush, Blair and co. Colin Davies wrote: Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. That's why we're doing what we do Colin. Don't you realise that this a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game? Do you really think that attacking Iraq is going to help prevent the nutters from attacking the city you live in? Cause it ain't - it's only going to make it a lot more likely.


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          • C Chris Losinger

            Colin Davies wrote: If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and he allows Al-Queda to attack the free world. There is a chance that some of my family could be killed. 1. there is no proven link between Iraq and Al-Q. 2. there is a better chance you will be killed by a drunk driver than by a terrorist attack. 3. Al-Q will probably attack the west regardless of the situation in Iraq. 4. 9/11, the Bali nightclub, the Tokyo subway attacks, the OKC bombing, the Pan Am flight over Scotland, the first WTC bombing and so on all happened without Iraq's help. most of those happened without anything you could call a "WMD". some of them happened using technology from the 60th century BC (ie. knives). 5. there are a half a dozen other countries in the middle east who are definitely responsible for terrorism against the US, Israel, Bali, etc.. GWB isn't planning to spend half a trillion dollars on invading and occupying them. 6. many people in the mid-east probably see GWB vs Iraq as a modern day Crusade against the mid-east and Islam (not helped by GWB actually calling it that). these people are the ones Al-Q will recruit to defeat the great satan. 7. How many will totally innocent civillians will die because of the invasion? 8. do you remember who was behind 9/11 ? -c


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            Chris Losinger wrote: 7. How many will totally innocent civillians will die because of the invasion? How many die today from Saddam's hand? The anti-war movement ignores the suffer of the common Iraqi. You never lived under Mukhbarat terror, and they do. Millions of Iraqis are denied to live in their country, they ran in fear and can't return. Kurds cannot fulfill minimum rights, Shia are targets for Saddam, not people. Only war can liberate them. Sure, many will die. But as casualties of liberty, not as a game in torture chambers. GWB maybe doing a war from all the wrong reasons, but never the less, a war is a blessing to Iraq.

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              Colin Davies wrote: So what are these protestors playing at ? Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies And if I am an Iraqi living in Bahgdad then I feel every right to call America bad names because in a few days my house will be destroyed, my children killed, my wife murdered and my livelihood destroyed. I will be suffering, not Saddam, he will be off to the Bahamas or wherever nuts go these days. So go protestors! Stop the evil regime from whiping out my life.

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              Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er

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              Paul Watson wrote: And if I am an Iraqi living in Bahgdad then I feel every right to call America bad names because in a few days my house will be destroyed, my children killed, my wife murdered and my livelihood destroyed. But it wont be something new. After all, Saddam tortured my father to death because he asked question about my mother which "dissapeared". My brother misses a leg, after he made a joke about Saddam. My sister lives in the west after she fled Baghdad, after her daughter was raped in public because her husband didn't burned US flag. All my friend in jail, our card game was considered a plot to remove Saddam. They'll be executed tommorow.

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              • C ColinDavies

                Yeah, as you may have guessed my post was sarcastic and I'm playing devil's advocate. The two opposing sides now, protestors and ant-war versus the Bush admin have got so far apart that there appears to be no middle ground left. Honestly I don't trust neither GWB, Saddam or Chirac or Putin etc, they all have there own agendas. For crying out loud, lets remember Iraq has Oil reserves ! Regardz Colin J Davies

                Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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                Colin Davies wrote: Yeah, as you may have guessed my post was sarcastic and I'm playing devil's advocate. :-O busted! ([sarcasm]I should make a list who's on what side [/sarcasm] ) I would doubt that anyone has clear and unstained motives in the game, but to go as fars "not trusting anyone" seems dangerous. Although it's comfortable - you can't err - it's breaking the basic requirement for any cooperation and agreement.


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                • C ColinDavies

                  Yeah, as you may have guessed my post was sarcastic and I'm playing devil's advocate. The two opposing sides now, protestors and ant-war versus the Bush admin have got so far apart that there appears to be no middle ground left. Honestly I don't trust neither GWB, Saddam or Chirac or Putin etc, they all have there own agendas. For crying out loud, lets remember Iraq has Oil reserves ! Regardz Colin J Davies

                  Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                  I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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                  Colin Davies wrote: For crying out loud, lets remember Iraq has Oil reserves ! Yes, and the U.S. asumes that they have intentions to build nuclear weapons. BUT: North Korea doesn't have oil, but they have nuclear weapons and plutonium. Now, explain the difference, i don't get GWB's statement... X|

                  Olli Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot......
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                  • C ColinDavies

                    If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and he allows Al-Queda to attack the free world. There is a chance that some of my family could be killed. So what are these protestors playing at ? Don't they realise that this is a real life and death situation, not some stupid political game. These protestors are just as dangerous as any terrorist or maniac running through the streets with bombs strapped to their bodies. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                    I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

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                    You want sarcasm? If I sneeze into the North Wind I may cause a hurricane to destroy a forgotten village in on island in the Indian Ocean, but I didn't see many spear throwers chasing me to the Post Office this morning. :~ Other than the usual...


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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      Colin Davies wrote: If Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and he allows Al-Queda to attack the free world. There is a chance that some of my family could be killed. 1. there is no proven link between Iraq and Al-Q. 2. there is a better chance you will be killed by a drunk driver than by a terrorist attack. 3. Al-Q will probably attack the west regardless of the situation in Iraq. 4. 9/11, the Bali nightclub, the Tokyo subway attacks, the OKC bombing, the Pan Am flight over Scotland, the first WTC bombing and so on all happened without Iraq's help. most of those happened without anything you could call a "WMD". some of them happened using technology from the 60th century BC (ie. knives). 5. there are a half a dozen other countries in the middle east who are definitely responsible for terrorism against the US, Israel, Bali, etc.. GWB isn't planning to spend half a trillion dollars on invading and occupying them. 6. many people in the mid-east probably see GWB vs Iraq as a modern day Crusade against the mid-east and Islam (not helped by GWB actually calling it that). these people are the ones Al-Q will recruit to defeat the great satan. 7. How many will totally innocent civillians will die because of the invasion? 8. do you remember who was behind 9/11 ? -c


                      When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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                      Chris Losinger wrote: 1. there is no proven link between Iraq and Al-Q. Of course there is. You just need to look more closely: IraQ Al-Q
                      Regards,

                      Rohit Sinha

                      Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
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                      The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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