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US offers India oil, $2.5-b to support Iraq war

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    'US offers India oil, $2.5-b to support Iraq war' New Delhi, Feb 22 The United States has offered to give India the $2.5 billion owed to it by Iraq and assure its oil supply for unambiguous support of its war against Baghdad, a report said Saturday. A newspaper said Washington would also award New Delhi a major chunk of reconstruction activities in post-war Iraq in exchange for unconditional backing. The report did not specify when or through what channels Washington's offers were conveyed to New Delhi, but said State Department officials had told visiting Indian foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal that US and Indian interests could converge after the war. It said oil remained a major lure, with Washington making clear that all countries clearly standing behind the United States would get a share in the proceeds of the war and removal of Saddam Hussein. India imports most of its oil and gas and its projected requirement in the fiscal year to March is 108 million tonnes of crude oil, against local production of 33 million tonnes. Estimated consumption of 55 million tonnes of natural gas compares with domestic production of 24 million tonnes. Last year India imported 78 percent of its requirement of 100 million tonnes of crude oil. Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee repeated India's long-held position Friday that the Iraq crisis should be resolved through the United Nations rather than "by one or two countries." Vajpayee was speaking to reporters while on the campaign trail in Himachal Pradesh state. "The Iraq stand-off can be sorted out peacefully through the United Nations and not by one or two countries," Vajpayee said. Asked whether New Delhi, if war broke out, would help Washington as it had during the Gulf War by allowing US planes to refuel in India, the Prime Minister was evasive, saying: "We hope there will be no war in the first place." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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    Can you say "bribery"??? Now we have to buy our allies, huh? Well, I suppose this is more overt than the way we've bought them in the past. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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      Can you say "bribery"??? Now we have to buy our allies, huh? Well, I suppose this is more overt than the way we've bought them in the past. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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      Marc Clifton wrote: Now we have to buy our allies, huh? Oh come on, why do you think anybody has allies? It's for what they both get out of it, always has been and always will be so long as humans are involved.


      David Wulff

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        Kant, unsubstantiated, unattributed crap like this isn't even worth a 1. Too bad there isn't a 0 vote. Did you make this up just to troll for flames? Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell

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        unsubstantiated, unattributed Why do you think that? Seems totally reasonable to me. Turkey is asking for billions in post-war aid. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
        Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
        Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
        Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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          Marc Clifton wrote: Now we have to buy our allies, huh? Oh come on, why do you think anybody has allies? It's for what they both get out of it, always has been and always will be so long as humans are involved.


          David Wulff

          http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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          human=Ferengi, huh? Not what's right, but what's profitable? Oh well, yet another blow to my already rock bottom opinion of politicians and most of the human race. It's sickening how much money is being spent on this war, as opposed to something that would really bring prosperity to this country. As tax time approaches (April 15th), I get more and more angry about the situation. But by then, WWIII will probably have started and hopefully 90% of the human race will be wiped off the planet. I can only hope. (oh yes, that was sarcasm) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
          Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
          Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
          Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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            Kant, unsubstantiated, unattributed crap like this isn't even worth a 1. Too bad there isn't a 0 vote. Did you make this up just to troll for flames? Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell

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            Rob Graham wrote: Did you make this up just to troll for flames? I dont think so, but I myself am puzzled as to why he didn't give us a link to the original article :~ Nish


            Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]

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              unsubstantiated, unattributed Why do you think that? Seems totally reasonable to me. Turkey is asking for billions in post-war aid. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
              Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
              Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
              Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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              Reasonable or unreasonable, there are no links,and no source named other than "some newspaper". As worthless as most of the "news" on television with the "unnamed sources". Not worth getting into an argument over, but likely to show up in some later post as "fact". It could be fact, or it could be pure fictional propaganda... Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell

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                human=Ferengi, huh? Not what's right, but what's profitable? Oh well, yet another blow to my already rock bottom opinion of politicians and most of the human race. It's sickening how much money is being spent on this war, as opposed to something that would really bring prosperity to this country. As tax time approaches (April 15th), I get more and more angry about the situation. But by then, WWIII will probably have started and hopefully 90% of the human race will be wiped off the planet. I can only hope. (oh yes, that was sarcasm) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                Marc Clifton wrote: human=Ferengi, huh? Not what's right, but what's profitable? Star Trek was a generation ahead of it's time. :((


                David Wulff

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                  Kant, unsubstantiated, unattributed crap like this isn't even worth a 1. Too bad there isn't a 0 vote. Did you make this up just to troll for flames? Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell

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                  I suspect he forgot to post the link. Normally he does. I think this is the first time he has posted something which he didn't back up with links. From what I know about him he's not a troll or looking for flame wars. And as for the content of the post, I'm not surprised. All the countries do this all the time I think. How else are pacts formed? People may come together to fight for a good cause, but countries come together only for their own interest. If it is not in the interest of a particular country to do something, you need to make it so. This is how it works, nothing new IMO.
                  Regards,

                  Rohit Sinha

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                    unsubstantiated, unattributed Why do you think that? Seems totally reasonable to me. Turkey is asking for billions in post-war aid. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                    Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                    Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                    Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                    With the one highlighted line of: It said oil remained a major lure, with Washington making clear that all countries clearly standing behind the United States would get a share in the proceeds of the war and removal of Saddam Hussein. tells me it is very biased if it comes from a paper or not. For the US to share the proceeds they would have to be colonizing the nation. Now many may have that view of the US and hence the comment. But the US does not view its actions in that light and so it would not have made the offer in those terms. "I will find a new sig someday."

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                    • R Rob Graham

                      Reasonable or unreasonable, there are no links,and no source named other than "some newspaper". As worthless as most of the "news" on television with the "unnamed sources". Not worth getting into an argument over, but likely to show up in some later post as "fact". It could be fact, or it could be pure fictional propaganda... Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell

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                      Kant
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                      Reasons I didn't the provide the URL are: 1. That site (from India) is very slow 2. It has 100+ flashing ads :mad: Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                        Rob Graham wrote: Did you make this up just to troll for flames? I dont think so, but I myself am puzzled as to why he didn't give us a link to the original article :~ Nish


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                        http://headlines.sify.com/1669news1.html?headline=US~offers~hard~cash~for~support~on~Iraq[^] The only reason I don't give URL is only if that site is slow. I didn't get the exact URL. But the above one contains that story. If it took more than 1 minute on my broadband connection, what's the point in providing the URL. All I did copy and paste to save the time of dial-up users. Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                          Marc Clifton wrote: Now we have to buy our allies, huh? Oh come on, why do you think anybody has allies? It's for what they both get out of it, always has been and always will be so long as humans are involved.


                          David Wulff

                          http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                          Alliance: Together we stand, divided we fall Bribery: I give you $5 from each of my free citizen, and you agree with whatever I say Don't mix up things, new age is soooo 20th century.


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                            I suspect he forgot to post the link. Normally he does. I think this is the first time he has posted something which he didn't back up with links. From what I know about him he's not a troll or looking for flame wars. And as for the content of the post, I'm not surprised. All the countries do this all the time I think. How else are pacts formed? People may come together to fight for a good cause, but countries come together only for their own interest. If it is not in the interest of a particular country to do something, you need to make it so. This is how it works, nothing new IMO.
                            Regards,

                            Rohit Sinha

                            Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                            - Abraham Lincoln

                            The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
                            - Anonymous

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                            Kant
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                            Rohit Sinha wrote: I suspect he forgot to post the link. Normally he does. I think this is the first time he has posted something which he didn't back up with links. From what I know about him he's not a troll or looking for flame wars. Thanks for backing me up. :rose: Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                              'US offers India oil, $2.5-b to support Iraq war' New Delhi, Feb 22 The United States has offered to give India the $2.5 billion owed to it by Iraq and assure its oil supply for unambiguous support of its war against Baghdad, a report said Saturday. A newspaper said Washington would also award New Delhi a major chunk of reconstruction activities in post-war Iraq in exchange for unconditional backing. The report did not specify when or through what channels Washington's offers were conveyed to New Delhi, but said State Department officials had told visiting Indian foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal that US and Indian interests could converge after the war. It said oil remained a major lure, with Washington making clear that all countries clearly standing behind the United States would get a share in the proceeds of the war and removal of Saddam Hussein. India imports most of its oil and gas and its projected requirement in the fiscal year to March is 108 million tonnes of crude oil, against local production of 33 million tonnes. Estimated consumption of 55 million tonnes of natural gas compares with domestic production of 24 million tonnes. Last year India imported 78 percent of its requirement of 100 million tonnes of crude oil. Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee repeated India's long-held position Friday that the Iraq crisis should be resolved through the United Nations rather than "by one or two countries." Vajpayee was speaking to reporters while on the campaign trail in Himachal Pradesh state. "The Iraq stand-off can be sorted out peacefully through the United Nations and not by one or two countries," Vajpayee said. Asked whether New Delhi, if war broke out, would help Washington as it had during the Gulf War by allowing US planes to refuel in India, the Prime Minister was evasive, saying: "We hope there will be no war in the first place." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                              I think that sounds rather shifty, but, in reference to this particular statement, "The United States has offered to give India the $2.5 billion owed to it by Iraq and assure its oil supply for unambiguous support of its war against Baghdad, a report said Saturday.": I wanted to point out that unless the US does this, India may attempt to prevent war simply to make sure they can get their $2.5 billion that they are owed. Hence, in this particular instance, the US is balancing the monetary incentive (i.e. making sure India doesn't have a monetary incentive to back Iraq). It's also not that different from the money games that Saddam has been playing -- giving big contracts to the countries that back him. Russian and French companies have done well financially because of the fact that their countries take softer approaches to Iraq. (About a year ago, Russia was pushing for an elimination of sanctions altogether.) ------------------------------------------ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin In an encampment expecting daily attack from a powerful enemy, self-preservation is paramount to all law. - Thomas Jefferson

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