Man arrested for t-shirt (cont.)

Jason Henderson

Are you really that naive? :confused:

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Mike Gaskey

Jason Henderson wrote: At least not until President Hillary pulls us Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Mike

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Daniel Ferguson

Just to keep this in perspective, this man would have been shot in Iraq if he were protesting Saddam. It didn't happen in Iraq, and your imagining that it might have does not change the outcome of the situation that actually did happen here.

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Daniel Ferguson

I disagree, I think things have improved dramatically as far as civil rights go. Women are able to go to school ... .. and people are being arrested for wearing t-shirts that someone else doesn't agree with....

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Daniel Ferguson

Oh, so we're skipping rational discussion based on facts and moving directly on to cheap insults now? [edit]And now we're skipping the cheap insults and just voting posts down? Obviously you're not very confident in your point of view. :|[/edit]

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Daniel Ferguson

I'm just trying to make a point that these protesters seem to be missing. We want civil rights for ourselves but not Iraqis. Being arrested for wearing a t-shirt is a loss of civil rights. Besides, where did you get this 'information' that the war has anything to do with civil rights?

"Pretending to guide me, you led me astray, And I don't want to fall into your kind of ways." "Melt", Front 242

peterchen

I don't know if it's naiviety or simple doubt: let me tell you where it comes from. East & West germany have been living side to side for 40 years, sharing the same history, and and, basically, we started with the same people. Yet after the fall of the wall, it was frightening how uninformed one was about the other. For the east, it was hard to separate what was propaganda and what was the truth. For the west, most simply didn't care. More startling than the uninformedness was the misinformation. Did we have hot running water? Did we have refrigerators*? Didn't everybody who critizised "the system" vanish immediately? Yes, Yes, No. It was amazing how far you could go if you knew your way. A Dictatorship doesn't work by banning white T-Shirts. It works by making people afraid of wearing them. And you want to tell me you know what happens to someone who wears a GPAC T' in Iraq? You can smoke your certainty in a pipe, sir.

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Jason Henderson

peterchen wrote: A Dictatorship doesn't work by banning white T-Shirts. It works by making people afraid of wearing them. So are you now calling the U.S. or the Bush administration a dictatorship? The administration had nothing to do with this incident. peterchen wrote: And you want to tell me you know what happens to someone who wears a GPAC T' in Iraq? I did not mention a GPAC t-shirt in my original post, I said "opposes Saddam" or something like that. Of course Saddam will love anyone wearing that shirt now, but it is a fact that Iraqis disappear when they openly oppose Mr. Hussein.

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peterchen

Jason Henderson wrote: So are you now calling the U.S. or the Bush administration a dictatorship? No, I intentionally didn't. You jumped to this conclusion. I merely stated my experience how these things work. As said, I doubt that everybody disappears immediately - this is to simplistic. If you consider this naivety of me, fine with me. (If you knew me better, you would know that naivety is rarely found with me. Positive assumption in the absence of knowledge, maybe.)

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