Bush Works Phones but Makes Little Headway in U.N.

Mike Gaskey

JoeSox wrote: This is great news!!! Well, it actually doesn't matter. The only thing that would matter is if the UN passed a new resolution that specifically prohibited the action. Since Iraq has not lived up to the cease fire conditions, the UN sanctioned Gulf War is still underway. Had they lived up to the conditions then the story would be different, but of course then we wouldn't be going through this exercise. One other fact to consider is that there have been 3 UN sanctioned military actions: 1) Korea, 2) Iraq, 3) Afganistan. In each of these 3 instances, each of Russia, China and France either: 1) voiced opposition until the last minute, 2) abstained from voting. In each of these 3 instances, the US was correct. Mike

JoeSox

I guess it was a bad joke:(( I think it is great news that the Pres knows how to work a phone. Later,
JoeSox
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Christian Graus

Mike Gaskey wrote: In each of these 3 instances, the US was correct. I've been reading a number of articles online that suggest that sanctions do not achieve anything more than breeding people who hate the US for killing thier children. I tend to agree. Some go so far as to say these regimes live in fear of the US lifting sanctions, because if the US traded with them and gave their people a glimpse of life in the West, the tin pot dictators of these countries would find it harder to control their people. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

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Mike Gaskey wrote: One other fact to consider is that there have been 3 UN sanctioned military actions: 1) Korea, 2) Iraq, 3) Afganistan. And while France is making a big deal about "how horrible it would be for the US to go to war without a UN mandate": Chirac also said that it would be a "dangerous precedent" if the United States went ahead with a war unilaterally. He added that France would not participate in such a fight. "We are not engaged and we will not be if there is not a decision by the U.N.," he said. Link[^] One has to remember how hollow these words are because US and european (including France) military action in Yugoslavia occured WITHOUT a UN mandate because Russia always vetoed it. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: I've been reading a number of articles online that suggest that sanctions do not achieve anything more than breeding people who hate the US for killing thier children. True, but since these are UN resolutions not US resolutions, one has to ask why they don't hate all members of the UN equally? Mike Mullikin :beer:

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Christian Graus wrote: Some go so far as to say these regimes live in fear of the US lifting sanctions, because if the US traded with them and gave their people a glimpse of life in the West, the tin pot dictators of these countries would find it harder to control their people. Funny that. Remember East Germany? Hmmm.... Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Christian Graus

That's a good question. I guess because the US is the one so vocal in pursuing them ? Or perhaps it gets back to the original point - the leaders of these countries need an enemy to keep their people in fear and grateful for the 'protection' they recieve from the state. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Easy. The US is far more dangerous to the status quo as they see it than any other nation in the UN. Let's face it - you've got the muscle to go it alone if you want to. 100 years ago the "enemy" would have been the UK or one of the other European powers. Times change, politicians don't. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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KaRl

True. Several differences with today situation: 1) There was actually a war in Yugoslavia before the intervention of NATO. 2) The US are alone this time. Please don't tell me the jokes of the World leaders sustaining the bushist stance, they will be wiped out at the next elections: 2% of the people in Spain are for an intervention without an UN mandate (Aznar has a big family :)), Blair faces the premices of a revolt in his own party. Have you seen how Berlusconi played it low these last days? If US attack another country without the backing of the UN, their leaders could face the charge of crime against peace in the future in front of an international court.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean,when you're going up against a crazed dictator,you wanna have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than 2 years before you guys pitched in against Hitler,but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons

David Wulff

KaЯl wrote: Blair faces the premices of a revolt in his own party Our politicians have been revolting for decades.

David Wulff

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Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: Several differences with today situation Not the least of which is the fact that the Gulf War is still on since Iraq/Saddam have not lived up to the terms of the Cease Fire Agreement. KaЯl wrote: The US are alone this time. So what? KaЯl wrote: If US attack another country without the backing of the UN I believe you'll soon see a strong, grassroots (the people, not the politicians) push for the US to leave the UN. It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate. KaЯl wrote: their leaders could face the charge of crime against peace in the future in front of an international court This would be funny if I didn't halfway believe you were serious - how many in France will stand up to our military if this were attempted? Mike

Mike Gaskey

JoeSox wrote: Eugene McCarthy Just as a side note, this is the only vote I ever cast that I later came to regret. Mike

JoeSox

:-D I just love the quote. Later,
JoeSox
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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Remember Foot and Thatcher? What a couple. X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Mike Gaskey wrote: I believe you'll soon see a strong, grassroots (the people, not the politicians) push for the US to leave the UN. It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate. I really hope you don't. It won't improve the perception of the US abroad or do anything to improve world stability. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Mike Gaskey

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Thatcher Did you actually not like Thatcher? The impression from here, where here is simply me, was that she was a strong leader with her country's best interest at heart. Mike

Chris Losinger

Mike Gaskey wrote: It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate. not unlike Congress. -c

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Mike Gaskey

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I really hope you don't. Just as an fyi - there is already a fair amount of discussion among conservatives on the subject. Mike

Mike Gaskey

Chris Losinger wrote: not unlike Congress. Sort of like a bratty kid. There is ours, which for the most part we put up with. And, then there's the neighbor's bratty kid, which we don't have to put up with unless we invite them over. Mike

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

No. I warned my parents in 1979 that voting for her was a bad idea, and eventually they agreed I was right. Her reign (for that's how she seemed to see it) in the UK was characterised by arrogance, division, anger and strife. Were it not for the Falklands War the Alliance would have kicked her out of power in 1982. I was one of many who celebrated when she finally got the boot. For all the shit that got thrown at him, Callaghan was actually a damn good PM - his own party and their union ties screwed him over, however. He never had a chance really. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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