Bush Works Phones but Makes Little Headway in U.N.

KaRl

True. Several differences with today situation: 1) There was actually a war in Yugoslavia before the intervention of NATO. 2) The US are alone this time. Please don't tell me the jokes of the World leaders sustaining the bushist stance, they will be wiped out at the next elections: 2% of the people in Spain are for an intervention without an UN mandate (Aznar has a big family :)), Blair faces the premices of a revolt in his own party. Have you seen how Berlusconi played it low these last days? If US attack another country without the backing of the UN, their leaders could face the charge of crime against peace in the future in front of an international court.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean,when you're going up against a crazed dictator,you wanna have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than 2 years before you guys pitched in against Hitler,but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons

David Wulff

KaЯl wrote: Blair faces the premices of a revolt in his own party Our politicians have been revolting for decades.

David Wulff

"David Wulff can't live without me, so you shouldn't either" - Paul Watson

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: Several differences with today situation Not the least of which is the fact that the Gulf War is still on since Iraq/Saddam have not lived up to the terms of the Cease Fire Agreement. KaЯl wrote: The US are alone this time. So what? KaЯl wrote: If US attack another country without the backing of the UN I believe you'll soon see a strong, grassroots (the people, not the politicians) push for the US to leave the UN. It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate. KaЯl wrote: their leaders could face the charge of crime against peace in the future in front of an international court This would be funny if I didn't halfway believe you were serious - how many in France will stand up to our military if this were attempted? Mike

Mike Gaskey

JoeSox wrote: Eugene McCarthy Just as a side note, this is the only vote I ever cast that I later came to regret. Mike

JoeSox

:-D I just love the quote. Later,
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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Remember Foot and Thatcher? What a couple. X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Mike Gaskey wrote: I believe you'll soon see a strong, grassroots (the people, not the politicians) push for the US to leave the UN. It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate. I really hope you don't. It won't improve the perception of the US abroad or do anything to improve world stability. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Mike Gaskey

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Thatcher Did you actually not like Thatcher? The impression from here, where here is simply me, was that she was a strong leader with her country's best interest at heart. Mike

Chris Losinger

Mike Gaskey wrote: It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate. not unlike Congress. -c

When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

Bobber!

Mike Gaskey

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I really hope you don't. Just as an fyi - there is already a fair amount of discussion among conservatives on the subject. Mike

Mike Gaskey

Chris Losinger wrote: not unlike Congress. Sort of like a bratty kid. There is ours, which for the most part we put up with. And, then there's the neighbor's bratty kid, which we don't have to put up with unless we invite them over. Mike

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

No. I warned my parents in 1979 that voting for her was a bad idea, and eventually they agreed I was right. Her reign (for that's how she seemed to see it) in the UK was characterised by arrogance, division, anger and strife. Were it not for the Falklands War the Alliance would have kicked her out of power in 1982. I was one of many who celebrated when she finally got the boot. For all the shit that got thrown at him, Callaghan was actually a damn good PM - his own party and their union ties screwed him over, however. He never had a chance really. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

That's a scary thought. I really hope it comes to nothing. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Lost User

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Times change, politicians don't. So true, do you mind if I "sig" it? Mike Mullikin :beer:

Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: I believe you'll soon see a strong, grassroots (the people, not the politicians) push for the US to leave the UN. It is a terribly expensive debating society that is using some very expensive American real estate The US seem to be thrown between two opposite forces, the isolationnist and the internationalist. UN was created by FDR, right? As long as the UN follows the US, everything's OK, but in case of disagrement UN is a embarrassment. Another proof the ultras don't want allies, but vassals and satellites. Mike Gaskey wrote: This would be funny if I didn't halfway believe you were serious Why not? Some were already trialed with such a charge. That's true at this time the US were the prosecutors. Mike Gaskey wrote: how many in France will stand up to our military if this were attempted? 350 H bombs. It should be enough for the moment.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean,when you're going up against a crazed dictator,you wanna have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than 2 years before you guys pitched in against Hitler,but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons

Lost User

Lets put it this way - the only preson in the UK who was able to put Maggie Thatcher in her place was the queen. That alone makes the monarchy worthwhile ! While Mrs. T started well, sadly she went off the rails and our country paid the price X| The tigress is here :-D

Mike Gaskey

Trollslayer wrote: the only preson in the UK who was able to put Maggie Thatcher in her place was the queen Was that on a specific public occasion or was it more of a "running battle"? I really am curious because the view here of Ms. Thatcher (at least the view I hold) is at odds with what I've read here. Mike