Oracle says, "Google has destroyed market for java" What?
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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2970944/android/oracle-google-has-destroyed-the-market-for-java.html[^] Until I read the following from the article, I didn't get it:
"Given the widespread dominance Android has achieved with its continued unauthorized use of the 37 Java API packages over the past few years, Android has now irreversibly destroyed Java's fundamental value proposition as a potential mobile device operating system," Oracle wrote.
In other words, Oracle is saying,
"Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we are going to destroy you and Android if necessary so we can create our own Mobile OS which can compete against you. !@#$*!@% you, Android/Google!!"
:-D
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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2970944/android/oracle-google-has-destroyed-the-market-for-java.html[^] Until I read the following from the article, I didn't get it:
"Given the widespread dominance Android has achieved with its continued unauthorized use of the 37 Java API packages over the past few years, Android has now irreversibly destroyed Java's fundamental value proposition as a potential mobile device operating system," Oracle wrote.
In other words, Oracle is saying,
"Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we are going to destroy you and Android if necessary so we can create our own Mobile OS which can compete against you. !@#$*!@% you, Android/Google!!"
:-D
I thought they were saying:
Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we want a big part of the benefits you are having with "our" technology, you !@#$*!@%
Your version implies more effort and resources that they don't have
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I thought they were saying:
Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we want a big part of the benefits you are having with "our" technology, you !@#$*!@%
Your version implies more effort and resources that they don't have
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
we want a big part of the benefits
You are most certainly correct. Laziness rules! Just gimme the ca$h, okay. :laugh:
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Nelek wrote:
we want a big part of the benefits
You are most certainly correct. Laziness rules! Just gimme the ca$h, okay. :laugh:
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If it turns out that Google is truly using the API's illegally doesn't that paint Google as the lazy one?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
Not really. They didn't just use the APIs like a normal Java developer would. They copied the API declarations into the Android platform, then wrote their own implementation code. EDIT: This would have created TONS of work for them, as the 37 APIs in question contain over 600 classes and over 6000 methods.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Not really. They didn't just use the APIs like a normal Java developer would. They copied the API declarations into the Android platform, then wrote their own implementation code. EDIT: This would have created TONS of work for them, as the 37 APIs in question contain over 600 classes and over 6000 methods.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
copied the API declarations into the Android platform, then wrote their own implementation code.
That statment makes me really side with Google, because it is more proof that Oracle is trying to sue them for using Oracle's idea. You cannot copyright or patent ideas. Ugh. Besides the fact that Java was OS for an extremely long period of time and all of the gray areas that entails also. The real problem I have with all of this is 1. these kind of lawsuits squash innovation
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Colin Mullikin wrote:
copied the API declarations into the Android platform, then wrote their own implementation code.
That statment makes me really side with Google, because it is more proof that Oracle is trying to sue them for using Oracle's idea. You cannot copyright or patent ideas. Ugh. Besides the fact that Java was OS for an extremely long period of time and all of the gray areas that entails also. The real problem I have with all of this is 1. these kind of lawsuits squash innovation
From a software perspective, doing what Google did makes perfect sense. They wanted Java developers to be able to use the exact same classes and methods that they were already using when starting to develop for Android. Its much easier to convince developers to make apps for your platform if they don't have to relearn everything.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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From a software perspective, doing what Google did makes perfect sense. They wanted Java developers to be able to use the exact same classes and methods that they were already using when starting to develop for Android. Its much easier to convince developers to make apps for your platform if they don't have to relearn everything.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
I agree 100%! Great point.
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From a software perspective, doing what Google did makes perfect sense. They wanted Java developers to be able to use the exact same classes and methods that they were already using when starting to develop for Android. Its much easier to convince developers to make apps for your platform if they don't have to relearn everything.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2970944/android/oracle-google-has-destroyed-the-market-for-java.html[^] Until I read the following from the article, I didn't get it:
"Given the widespread dominance Android has achieved with its continued unauthorized use of the 37 Java API packages over the past few years, Android has now irreversibly destroyed Java's fundamental value proposition as a potential mobile device operating system," Oracle wrote.
In other words, Oracle is saying,
"Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we are going to destroy you and Android if necessary so we can create our own Mobile OS which can compete against you. !@#$*!@% you, Android/Google!!"
:-D
Oracle says some pretty strange things. This is my personal favorite: Oracle Security Chief to Customers: Stop checking our code for vulnerabilities [^] >Davidson [Oracle's chief security officer] scolded customers who performed their own security analyses of code, calling it reverse engineering and a violation of Oracle's software licensing.
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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2970944/android/oracle-google-has-destroyed-the-market-for-java.html[^] Until I read the following from the article, I didn't get it:
"Given the widespread dominance Android has achieved with its continued unauthorized use of the 37 Java API packages over the past few years, Android has now irreversibly destroyed Java's fundamental value proposition as a potential mobile device operating system," Oracle wrote.
In other words, Oracle is saying,
"Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we are going to destroy you and Android if necessary so we can create our own Mobile OS which can compete against you. !@#$*!@% you, Android/Google!!"
:-D
I read the comments here, I didn't read the article, and I'm no lawyer, but... It seems to me that if person A has stolen something from company B, and company C later buys company B, company C can't now charge person A with theft.
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I read the comments here, I didn't read the article, and I'm no lawyer, but... It seems to me that if person A has stolen something from company B, and company C later buys company B, company C can't now charge person A with theft.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
I'm no lawyer, but...
Good thing because you're wrong. When company C buys company B they assume all of company B's responsibilities and gain all of their rights. Including the right to protect IP. As Colin points out this is a very odd case due to Google's use of class names and such but not the actual implementations but legally Oracle has every right to pursue this as far as they'd like.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.