Chris and Dundas
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What's the deal between Chris and Dundas Software. Does Chris still work for Dundas? I remember him taking a job there when he used to write for CodeGuru but I assumed he dropped it when he started The CodeProject. Seems not, he is even in Canada working at their offices and codeproject.com is covered in Dundas banners. So, do Dundas own The Codeproject? You could see the reasoning behind it - free advertising on one of the most widely used web sites in the developer community, free access to source code which could then be incorporated into their projects. What does everyone think? Especially you, Chris - I'd be interested to know your standpoint on this. Don't get me wrong - I don't mind if Dundas own the site - they produce excellent software and The Codeproject is one of the best sites on the net. It would be nice to know what's happening though, especially since the nightmare when codeguru was sold to Earthweb
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What's the deal between Chris and Dundas Software. Does Chris still work for Dundas? I remember him taking a job there when he used to write for CodeGuru but I assumed he dropped it when he started The CodeProject. Seems not, he is even in Canada working at their offices and codeproject.com is covered in Dundas banners. So, do Dundas own The Codeproject? You could see the reasoning behind it - free advertising on one of the most widely used web sites in the developer community, free access to source code which could then be incorporated into their projects. What does everyone think? Especially you, Chris - I'd be interested to know your standpoint on this. Don't get me wrong - I don't mind if Dundas own the site - they produce excellent software and The Codeproject is one of the best sites on the net. It would be nice to know what's happening though, especially since the nightmare when codeguru was sold to Earthweb
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As long as this site doesn't get sold off, who cares. Chris has done a fine job bringing fellow developers together. Everybody benefits from the code from this site, even if Dundas do use code.
Hey Guys, This kinda caught me by surprise since I assumed everyone knew that Dundas are my major sponsor, and without them none of this would have been possible. I want to answer this question as openly and frankly as I can so give me an hour or so to get my morning admin stuff out of the way. A quick answer: CodeProject is an independant entity. Your code is yours and will never be used by Dundas (and hopefully no other commercial entity) without your permission. The Earthweb nightmare will not be repeated, and the association with Dundas (my previous employers) is opening up so many cool possibilities for this site. More to follow... cheers, Chris Maunde
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Hey Guys, This kinda caught me by surprise since I assumed everyone knew that Dundas are my major sponsor, and without them none of this would have been possible. I want to answer this question as openly and frankly as I can so give me an hour or so to get my morning admin stuff out of the way. A quick answer: CodeProject is an independant entity. Your code is yours and will never be used by Dundas (and hopefully no other commercial entity) without your permission. The Earthweb nightmare will not be repeated, and the association with Dundas (my previous employers) is opening up so many cool possibilities for this site. More to follow... cheers, Chris Maunde
Thanks for the prompt reply, Chris. I wasn't aware that Dundas had any direct involvement with CodeProject, that's why I asked the question. I have been following The CodeProject since the start (anyone remember CodeTools?) so I thought I knew everything that was happening. I guess I must have missed that somewhere along the line. Anyway, I'll be interested to know the full story behind it when you have time. I'm not trying to pry it's just that CodeProject has always been 'For Developers By Developers' (FDBD not as catchy as FUBU) and so I guess it has always felt like 'our' site as much as yours (except you do all the work!)
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What's the deal between Chris and Dundas Software. Does Chris still work for Dundas? I remember him taking a job there when he used to write for CodeGuru but I assumed he dropped it when he started The CodeProject. Seems not, he is even in Canada working at their offices and codeproject.com is covered in Dundas banners. So, do Dundas own The Codeproject? You could see the reasoning behind it - free advertising on one of the most widely used web sites in the developer community, free access to source code which could then be incorporated into their projects. What does everyone think? Especially you, Chris - I'd be interested to know your standpoint on this. Don't get me wrong - I don't mind if Dundas own the site - they produce excellent software and The Codeproject is one of the best sites on the net. It would be nice to know what's happening though, especially since the nightmare when codeguru was sold to Earthweb
OK - so what's the deal with Chris and Dundas. Most know that I spent 2 years working on CodeGuru, and during that time I was employed by Dundas Software. In fact, my work on CodeGuru was what got me the job at Dundas. Even while I was posting code such as my grid control that competed directly with their products, there was support from them for my CodeGuru work, and also lots of sponsorship dollars from them for the site. Once CodeGuru was sold no one was happy (especially me), so I convinced them that I had the energy, enthusiasm and passion to grow a site that would not just be successful, but fun. They agreed, and so with generous sponsorship support and an agreement that I have full editorial freedom, I began to build a site for us all. Other sponsors such as WholeTomato, SmallerAnimals, and New Riders have helped enormously in this effort, as well as people like Uwe Keim, Valerie Bradely and Erik Thompson. Obviously none of this would have happened without authors like Mike Dunn, Randy More, PJ Naughter and Sam Blackburn to share their incredible wealth with us all. CodeProject is an independant entity, of which Dundas does hold some equity. Based on the amount of investment it was going to take to get the site up, and with the understanding that we really didn’t know it would actually work, it seemed only fair. Dundas’ assistance has been invaluable over the past year and provided many opportunities such as conferences, meetings with Microsoft, inside industry gossip, partnerships with some of the big names in the business, content, technical expertise and trips to frozen Toronto – just to name a few. We have a ton of stuff in the pipeline that simply would not be possible without help from someone like them. Dundas Software will never use any source code on The Code Project (or any other site) without the authors permission – they’re way too professional for that. If they find something they like they would most likely contact the author and offer to pay for permission to use the code - that's how I and about 4 or 5 others who worked for Dundas got started with them. The thing I really want to avoid is the mess that happened with CodeGuru and Earthweb in the past. I think everyone on all sides agrees that the transition was not handled as well as it could be. Tom Archer has done a fantastic job of turning the site around and even I find myself poking around there occasionally to see what's going on in my old stomping grounds. I cannot make a promis
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OK - so what's the deal with Chris and Dundas. Most know that I spent 2 years working on CodeGuru, and during that time I was employed by Dundas Software. In fact, my work on CodeGuru was what got me the job at Dundas. Even while I was posting code such as my grid control that competed directly with their products, there was support from them for my CodeGuru work, and also lots of sponsorship dollars from them for the site. Once CodeGuru was sold no one was happy (especially me), so I convinced them that I had the energy, enthusiasm and passion to grow a site that would not just be successful, but fun. They agreed, and so with generous sponsorship support and an agreement that I have full editorial freedom, I began to build a site for us all. Other sponsors such as WholeTomato, SmallerAnimals, and New Riders have helped enormously in this effort, as well as people like Uwe Keim, Valerie Bradely and Erik Thompson. Obviously none of this would have happened without authors like Mike Dunn, Randy More, PJ Naughter and Sam Blackburn to share their incredible wealth with us all. CodeProject is an independant entity, of which Dundas does hold some equity. Based on the amount of investment it was going to take to get the site up, and with the understanding that we really didn’t know it would actually work, it seemed only fair. Dundas’ assistance has been invaluable over the past year and provided many opportunities such as conferences, meetings with Microsoft, inside industry gossip, partnerships with some of the big names in the business, content, technical expertise and trips to frozen Toronto – just to name a few. We have a ton of stuff in the pipeline that simply would not be possible without help from someone like them. Dundas Software will never use any source code on The Code Project (or any other site) without the authors permission – they’re way too professional for that. If they find something they like they would most likely contact the author and offer to pay for permission to use the code - that's how I and about 4 or 5 others who worked for Dundas got started with them. The thing I really want to avoid is the mess that happened with CodeGuru and Earthweb in the past. I think everyone on all sides agrees that the transition was not handled as well as it could be. Tom Archer has done a fantastic job of turning the site around and even I find myself poking around there occasionally to see what's going on in my old stomping grounds. I cannot make a promis