Robin Cook: Why I had to leave the cabinet

Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: Yep, today it's true, thanks to the US hawks How about Kosovo? KaЯl wrote: Yet tonight the international partnerships most important to us are weakened. The European Union is divided. The security council is in stalemate. Those are heavy casualties of war without a single shot yet being fired" And standing behind it all is a small man, who would sell the Iraqi people for profit. Jaques Chirac. Did he even try to pressure Iraq into acceptance of the UN terms or was he to busy being important? KaЯl wrote: Yep, when the threat is imminent. US are the only ones to believe there's one Define imminent, the UK, Australia, even Germany is providing some support. The French weep over there lost investments. Lets look at who really stands to lose what and what the real motivations are...... If I were French, I would be upset that my representatives would sell out those same organizations you mentioned for the profits of my national oil company. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

KaRl

Economically, you will win the control of oil and more important, the control of the export terminals. You will also win a strategic position in the middle-east. Some of your companies will win considerable contracts in armaments, and in rebuilding. In the long run, we could see more terrorists attacks, China attacking Taiwan "pre-emptively", Turkey in war with Kurdistan, an humatarian disaster caused by millions of refugees, Iran in a hurry to build a nuclear bomb, a ecological disaster caused by the destruction of oil fields, an islamic revolution in Egypt, the weakening on UN, EU and NATO, 3 organizations which were trying to stabilize the World. Just to name a few. That's why I said I hope you're right.

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Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: Economically, you will win the control of oil and more important, the control of the export terminals. You will also win a strategic position in the middle-east. Some of your companies will win considerable contracts in armaments, and in rebuilding If US companies get contracts with the Iraqi people it will be because thats what they want. But I think it obscene to try to say that is the reason why the US is fighting SH. As far as armanents, Iraq will probably have a lot smaller army than what SH bought (from France) before we came along. KaЯl wrote: In the long run, we could see more terrorists attacks We will probably see more attacks anyway, wasn't it Indonesia where all the people were killed in the nightclub? And how many plots have authorities derailed around the world? KaЯl wrote: China attacking Taiwan "pre-emptively" I doubt that, because China knows what the cost of that would be. KaЯl wrote: islamic revolution in Egypt This may happen regardless..... KaЯl wrote: Iran in a hurry to build a nuclear bomb They just revealed that they had a program for quite some time now, thats nothing new unfortunatly. KaЯl wrote: the weakening on UN, EU and NATO The weakening of the UN bagan when the UN was no longer willing to follow up it demands 45 days after the Persian Gulf war. It has continued since then when the UN continued to allow SH to thumb his nose at them. The world is still a dangerous place, and the rule of laww means nothing to people who see no reason to follow it. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

David Wulff

Did you actually read all of that? :confused:

David Wulff

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KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: Jaques Chirac. Did he even try to pressure Iraq into acceptance of the UN terms or was he to busy being important? "In recent days France has been at the receiving end of the most vitriolic criticism. However, it is not France alone that wants more time for inspections. Germany is opposed to us. Russia is opposed to us. Indeed at no time have we signed up even the minimum majority to carry a second resolution. We delude ourselves about the degree of international hostility to military action if we imagine that it is all the fault of President Chirac. " Doug Goulden wrote: Define imminent, the UK, Australia, even Germany is providing some support Look at the World opinion. It's an enormous defeat for the US, and I'm sad of it, 'cause it's not a good news. Doug Goulden wrote: I would be upset that my representatives would sell out those same organizations you mentioned for the profits of my national oil company AFAIK, nor Chevron nor Texacco are french ;P About our former national oil company: French state oil bosses in dock for sleaze worth millions What about the "special relationship" (others would sqy conflict of interests) between the current US administration and the oil industry?

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KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: If US companies get contracts with the Iraqi people it will be because thats what they want It wasn't my point. In the race to rebuild Iraq, US firms with close links to the President already have a head start. Doug Goulden wrote: We will probably see more attacks anyway Report: American killed in shooting attack in Yemen No relation with the ultimatum in your opinion?

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