Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • World
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor
  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Code Project
CODE PROJECT For Those Who Code
  • Home
  • Articles
  • FAQ
Community
  1. Home
  2. Other Discussions
  3. The Back Room
  4. Congressional War Approval....

Congressional War Approval....

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved The Back Room
comquestion
17 Posts 9 Posters 1 Views 1 Watching
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • C Chris Losinger

    from the bill Congress passed: http://usgovinfo.miningco.com/library/weekly/bliraqreshouse.htm[^] SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to-- (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. (b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that-- (1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and (2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. -c

    Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

    J Offline
    J Offline
    JoeSox
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    Thanks, when I get time I will read it thoroughly. I figured they was something passed to give him War power but wasn't sure.:~ Later,
    JoeSox
    www.joeswammi.com
    It's not easy facin' up when your whole world is black
    Rolling Stones

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • S Stan Shannon

      Constitution? You mean that rag the government has been wiping its ass with for 50 years now? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

      J Offline
      J Offline
      JoeSox
      wrote on last edited by
      #5

      Stan Shannon wrote: You mean that rag the government has been wiping its ass with for 50 years now? It was two-ply but now one.:-D Later,
      JoeSox
      www.joeswammi.com
      It's not easy facin' up when your whole world is black
      Rolling Stones

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • S Stan Shannon

        Constitution? You mean that rag the government has been wiping its ass with for 50 years now? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

        B Offline
        B Offline
        brianwelsch
        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        The same rag that allows us to vote in that government of ass wipers. What are you doing about it? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

        S D 2 Replies Last reply
        0
        • C Chris Losinger

          from the bill Congress passed: http://usgovinfo.miningco.com/library/weekly/bliraqreshouse.htm[^] SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. (a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to-- (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. (b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that-- (1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and (2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. -c

          Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

          P Offline
          P Offline
          peterchen
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack?

          Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
          sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

          C M 2 Replies Last reply
          0
          • B brianwelsch

            The same rag that allows us to vote in that government of ass wipers. What are you doing about it? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

            S Offline
            S Offline
            Stan Shannon
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            brianwelsch wrote: What are you doing about it? Well, generally I try to vote for whoever is most like to pack the courts with guys like my heroes, Antony Scalia and Clarence Thomas. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

            C 1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • P peterchen

              The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack?

              Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
              sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

              C Offline
              C Offline
              Chris Losinger
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              peterchen wrote: The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. http://www.spectacle.org/0303/carter.html[^] -c

              Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

              J P 2 Replies Last reply
              0
              • B brianwelsch

                The same rag that allows us to vote in that government of ass wipers. What are you doing about it? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

                D Offline
                D Offline
                Doug Goulden
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                Just b*tching Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • C Chris Losinger

                  peterchen wrote: The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. http://www.spectacle.org/0303/carter.html[^] -c

                  Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

                  J Offline
                  J Offline
                  Jason Henderson
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  Congress is definitely insane.

                  Jason Henderson
                  "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

                  articles profile

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • C Chris Losinger

                    peterchen wrote: The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. http://www.spectacle.org/0303/carter.html[^] -c

                    Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

                    P Offline
                    P Offline
                    peterchen
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    As I understood Joe's article, the laww passed by congress 8the one you quoted) is uncosntitutional itself, because Congress can declare war, but not pass on the power to do so to whoever. (I'm not a lawyer, but I sometimes have a beer with one)

                    Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
                    sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

                    C 1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • P peterchen

                      As I understood Joe's article, the laww passed by congress 8the one you quoted) is uncosntitutional itself, because Congress can declare war, but not pass on the power to do so to whoever. (I'm not a lawyer, but I sometimes have a beer with one)

                      Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
                      sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

                      C Offline
                      C Offline
                      Chris Losinger
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      the US doesn't declare war anymore. since the '40s, it's been one long string of military adventures without a formal declaration of war. while the constitutionality of this has been debated for the entire time, it's clear that nobody who's opinion matters disagrees that it's (at least) legal. -c

                      Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

                      P 1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • P peterchen

                        The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack?

                        Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
                        sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

                        M Offline
                        M Offline
                        Marc Clifton
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        peterchen wrote: Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack? A: Only if Bush changes his name to Bash. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                        Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                        Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                        Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • C Chris Losinger

                          the US doesn't declare war anymore. since the '40s, it's been one long string of military adventures without a formal declaration of war. while the constitutionality of this has been debated for the entire time, it's clear that nobody who's opinion matters disagrees that it's (at least) legal. -c

                          Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

                          P Offline
                          P Offline
                          peterchen
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          But isn't declaring war before you go part of the Geneva Convention? Oh wait... it's the US...

                          Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
                          sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • J JoeSox

                            Did Congress approve War against Iraq:confused: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0204a.asp[^] "Therefore, when a U.S. president wages what might otherwise be considered a just war, if he has failed to secure a congressional declaration of war, he is waging an illegal war — illegal from the standpoint of our own legal and governmental system. And when the American people support any such war, no matter how just and right they believe it is, they are standing not only against their own principles and heritage, not only against their own system of government and laws, but also against the only barrier standing between them and the tyranny of their own government — the Constitution." Later,
                            JoeSox
                            www.joeswammi.com
                            It's not easy facin' up when your whole world is black
                            Rolling Stones

                            B Offline
                            B Offline
                            Brit
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            JoeSox wrote: Therefore, when a U.S. president wages what might otherwise be considered a just war, if he has failed to secure a congressional declaration of war, he is waging an illegal war — illegal from the standpoint of our own legal and governmental system. Uh, a lot of "wars" never received congressional approval. As a result, they are called "conflicts" or "military involvements", but no declaration of war was issued because they aren't technically wars unless congress approves them. Many overseas military engagements in the past 20 years, including Grenada, Lebanon, Bosnia, Haiti and Somalia, have taken place without formal congressional approval... Bush [Sr] sought congressional approval for the [1990] Gulf War, but lawmakers stopped short of declaring war. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/kosovo_congress990427.html[^] ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • S Stan Shannon

                              brianwelsch wrote: What are you doing about it? Well, generally I try to vote for whoever is most like to pack the courts with guys like my heroes, Antony Scalia and Clarence Thomas. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

                              C Offline
                              C Offline
                              Chris Losinger
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #17

                              don't get too used to your supposed "rights". 'Most of the rights that you enjoy go way beyond what the Constitution requires.' -Justice Scalia -c

                              Image tools: ThumbNailer, Bobber, TIFFAssembler

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              Reply
                              • Reply as topic
                              Log in to reply
                              • Oldest to Newest
                              • Newest to Oldest
                              • Most Votes

                              • Login
                              • Don't have an account? Register
                              • Login or register to search.
                              • First post
                                Last post
                              0
                              • Categories
                              • Recent
                              • Tags
                              • Popular
                              • World
                              • Users
                              • Groups