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  • B brianwelsch

    The same rag that allows us to vote in that government of ass wipers. What are you doing about it? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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    brianwelsch wrote: What are you doing about it? Well, generally I try to vote for whoever is most like to pack the courts with guys like my heroes, Antony Scalia and Clarence Thomas. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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    • P peterchen

      The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack?


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      Chris Losinger
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      peterchen wrote: The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. http://www.spectacle.org/0303/carter.html[^] -c


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      • B brianwelsch

        The same rag that allows us to vote in that government of ass wipers. What are you doing about it? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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        Doug Goulden
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        Just b*tching Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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        • C Chris Losinger

          peterchen wrote: The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. http://www.spectacle.org/0303/carter.html[^] -c


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          Jason Henderson
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          Congress is definitely insane.

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          • C Chris Losinger

            peterchen wrote: The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. http://www.spectacle.org/0303/carter.html[^] -c


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            As I understood Joe's article, the laww passed by congress 8the one you quoted) is uncosntitutional itself, because Congress can declare war, but not pass on the power to do so to whoever. (I'm not a lawyer, but I sometimes have a beer with one)


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            • P peterchen

              As I understood Joe's article, the laww passed by congress 8the one you quoted) is uncosntitutional itself, because Congress can declare war, but not pass on the power to do so to whoever. (I'm not a lawyer, but I sometimes have a beer with one)


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              the US doesn't declare war anymore. since the '40s, it's been one long string of military adventures without a formal declaration of war. while the constitutionality of this has been debated for the entire time, it's clear that nobody who's opinion matters disagrees that it's (at least) legal. -c


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              • P peterchen

                The article Joe linked to argues that this law is unconstitutional. Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack?


                Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
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                Marc Clifton
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                peterchen wrote: Q: If Iraq would change it's name to Iruq, would The Shrub still be allowed to attack? A: Only if Bush changes his name to Bash. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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                • C Chris Losinger

                  the US doesn't declare war anymore. since the '40s, it's been one long string of military adventures without a formal declaration of war. while the constitutionality of this has been debated for the entire time, it's clear that nobody who's opinion matters disagrees that it's (at least) legal. -c


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                  But isn't declaring war before you go part of the Geneva Convention? Oh wait... it's the US...


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                  • J JoeSox

                    Did Congress approve War against Iraq:confused: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0204a.asp[^] "Therefore, when a U.S. president wages what might otherwise be considered a just war, if he has failed to secure a congressional declaration of war, he is waging an illegal war — illegal from the standpoint of our own legal and governmental system. And when the American people support any such war, no matter how just and right they believe it is, they are standing not only against their own principles and heritage, not only against their own system of government and laws, but also against the only barrier standing between them and the tyranny of their own government — the Constitution." Later,
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                    JoeSox wrote: Therefore, when a U.S. president wages what might otherwise be considered a just war, if he has failed to secure a congressional declaration of war, he is waging an illegal war — illegal from the standpoint of our own legal and governmental system. Uh, a lot of "wars" never received congressional approval. As a result, they are called "conflicts" or "military involvements", but no declaration of war was issued because they aren't technically wars unless congress approves them. Many overseas military engagements in the past 20 years, including Grenada, Lebanon, Bosnia, Haiti and Somalia, have taken place without formal congressional approval... Bush [Sr] sought congressional approval for the [1990] Gulf War, but lawmakers stopped short of declaring war. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/kosovo_congress990427.html[^] ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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                    • S Stan Shannon

                      brianwelsch wrote: What are you doing about it? Well, generally I try to vote for whoever is most like to pack the courts with guys like my heroes, Antony Scalia and Clarence Thomas. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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                      don't get too used to your supposed "rights". 'Most of the rights that you enjoy go way beyond what the Constitution requires.' -Justice Scalia -c


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