Some random observations and ponderings
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Mike Mullikin wrote: During the last 12+ years what would you have liked to see done differently? First let me state again that I do believe Saddam should be removed. Saddam should have been removed many times in the past. So Clinton not taking action to build a coalition many years ago is a start. Now getting to today. All actions prior to 9/11 are moot. I state that due to 3 top people that advise Bush have a history of being anti-Saddam (Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice.) Now they very well maybe correct but those feelings are what I feel have lead to an automatic association of our War with Terror and Iraq's defiance with the UN and disarmament. I feel that diplomatically forcing that association is a primary reason we do not have support for action. The US is doing what it wants with out presentable proof, so when does it stop? In my opinion a valid question. Secondly Bushes statement that "you are for us or against us" is just asking for people to disagree. Again poor diplomacy. So although I do believe the US is taking proper action. I do not believe we have arrived at this point by the best route. ""
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: so when does it stop? it doesn't, until 2004 or, Bob forbid, 2008. -c
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Thanxxs you I dont understand we so many outstanding citiesens do not like me and my family waging wars.:madd: f this dam keyboard!! GW, Da'man
George W. Bush wrote: Thanxxs you I dont understand we so many outstanding citiesens do not like me and my family waging wars.:madd: f this dam keyboard!! GW, Da'man How sad is this?:rolleyes: Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
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- Firstly congratulations to John Denham, ex. Home Office minister, who resigned his position today for his principles, unlike some others who seem to adjust them to suit their mood. Keep ‘em coming guys. - Read Robin Cook’s resignation speech[^]. If you didn’t see him give the speech you’d do well to find a copy on tape just to see Blair’s face when the cheers and clapping start. (Not a repost - this is the full text rather than the highlights.*) When this mess draws into the eye of the storm Cook will be a very formidable opponent and Blair knows it – anything that makes the fine upstanding gentleman sweat is fine by me. * I apologise to whoever it was I questioned may not have read the version linked to below based on their comments, namely with regard to Kosovo, but I did not realise at the time it had been edited to remove pretty all mention of it. - I noticed the US Army is going to use depleted uranium tipped armour piercing rounds. I do so look forward to the next bout of law suits when Gulf War Syndrome v2.0 comes into effect. :( - Seeing as the Pope has now publicly condemned this war (again?), will that change any views? I appreciate a fair proportion of the States is supposedly Christian, but are they Roman Catholics (I think they're the Popey ones?) or others? Or is it only when they happen to agree? - It was interesting to note that the British forces (namely the Para’s I believe, with all their experience in Northern Ireland) have been given the task of dealing with the civilians’ left still drawing breath because the American forces do not know where to start. Let’s hope then that this will not turn into another humanitarian disaster ala 1993. Talking of which, maybe you guys could get around to cleaning that mess up on your way home? - Lastly, my best wishes to all the poor sons of bitches who’ve been required to play their lives on the field for this whole humanitarian disaster on a cocktail stick. I don’t condone what they are doing for a second, but they are their in role to protect me, at least insofar as their employment terms, so I cannot wish them any harm. I just wonder for what it is they will pay - are they going to war to liberate the Iraqi people, or to remove their leader because diplomacy and common sense failed our own? :suss:
Wow, if you all are finished using Robin Cook, could we have him then? He sounds like a man with brain and heart, and before now, I would have doubts about finding either of those in a politician, and definately not both at the same time. :) Our own discussions were totally disrupted yesterday, because a left wing loonie member of the parliament, let two of her supporters inside the government building to throw red paint at the prime minister and the foreign minister. All the news were centered on that story, so the real problem, that we are participating in an illegal attack based on 'because the US says so', were only briefly touched. :mad: "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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perlmunger wrote: I'm trying to see what the rest of the world (apparently) sees, I guess. The rest of the world simply wants a reason to whine. If terrorists attacked the UK with resourses obtained from Bagdhad, I'm sure they would be whining about why the US didn't step in to help. It's much easier to critize than to stand up for what you believe is right. - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: If terrorists attacked the UK with resourses obtained from Bagdhad, I'm sure they would be whining about why the US didn't step in to help. Yes, we would say something like: "Oh Father, why have you left us?". "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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perlmunger wrote: I'm trying to see what the rest of the world (apparently) sees, I guess. The rest of the world simply wants a reason to whine. If terrorists attacked the UK with resourses obtained from Bagdhad, I'm sure they would be whining about why the US didn't step in to help. It's much easier to critize than to stand up for what you believe is right. - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: If terrorists attacked the UK with resourses obtained from Bagdhad, I'm sure they would be whining about why the US didn't step in to help. Terrorists (Irish) have already attacked the UK with resources obtained from the US. :| "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can." "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."