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  • D Doug Goulden

    Chris Austin wrote: What makes you any less an Idiot The first thing is that I don't have to resort to insults to try to make my point. The other difference is that I don't hold myself above others because of some celebrity. My comment was based on the way that most people tend to add extra weight to someone's opinion who is "famous" because of their celebrity. Maybe you think that the Dixie Chicks are experts at US foreign policy, I don't. I do agree they have a right to express their opinion, but I think they should be viewed based on the knowledge of the person making the comment. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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    Doug Goulden wrote: The first thing is that I don't have to resort to insults to try to make my point. liar ;P


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      BullShit! While this war may have been necassary for a long time, what gives you or anybody else the right to tell a parent what philophsy to teach their children as long as it dosent break any laws. Or are the freedoms and rights that you seem to be in favor of only valid if it agrees with your world view? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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      So is this how you fight bullshit? With more bullshit? When did I say they don't have such rights? I just questioned the apparent innocence of this whole thing. And I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I'm suspicious. If a bunch of white kids somehow manage to organize a protest in favor of the Klu Klux Klan, what would you think? Regards, Alvaro


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        Doug Goulden wrote: The first thing is that I don't have to resort to insults to try to make my point. liar ;P


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        Ouch ;P:laugh: I was juss kiddin' yah..... Hey answer my new post Frenchy;P Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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          So is this how you fight bullshit? With more bullshit? When did I say they don't have such rights? I just questioned the apparent innocence of this whole thing. And I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I'm suspicious. If a bunch of white kids somehow manage to organize a protest in favor of the Klu Klux Klan, what would you think? Regards, Alvaro


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          Alvaro Mendez wrote: If a bunch of white kids somehow manage to organize a protest in favor of the Klu Klux Klan, what would you think? A lot less than if a bunch of black kids somehow manage to organize a protest in favor of the Klu Klux Klan. :~


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          • D David Wulff

            First I agree with Fazlul, and now I agree with Chris - Bull Shit! That sort of thing just doesn't happen in this part of the world. Maybe as you head north or east towards the major cities and the slums, but here people know very well which way their head screws on. It's funny (funny 'odd' not funny 'ha ha') but I've seen more children fourteen to seventeen giving their parents - and politicians - lectures about such issues than the other way around. When you don't have to deal with drugs and bullying on the scale that the inner cities do, schools become quite flourishing little communities of intellect, and there is none so terrible an opponent than a child who believes he has been wronged and has a strong head on his shoulders... As Marc said it seems that there may be cultural differences at play here, as hard and sad as I find that to imagine. :(


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            Think about this David. These "communities of intellect" -- how do they happen in the first place? Do kids just organize them? You think they get tired of watching TV, playing video games, chasing girls, playing sports, etc. and decide to have political discussions which eventually lead to marches? Well, if that's the case, then great! I just hope at least some of them are able to understand the need for this war. Regards, Alvaro


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            • D Doug Goulden

              Ouch ;P:laugh: I was juss kiddin' yah..... Hey answer my new post Frenchy;P Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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              ;) Keep cool, man, have a drink :-D


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                Think about this David. These "communities of intellect" -- how do they happen in the first place? Do kids just organize them? You think they get tired of watching TV, playing video games, chasing girls, playing sports, etc. and decide to have political discussions which eventually lead to marches? Well, if that's the case, then great! I just hope at least some of them are able to understand the need for this war. Regards, Alvaro


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                Alvaro Mendez wrote: Do kids just organize them? You think they get tired of watching TV, playing video games, chasing girls, playing sports, etc. and decide to have political discussions which eventually lead to marches? Yes to all of those. And I'd be very worried if that was not the case too! :eek:


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                  So is this how you fight bullshit? With more bullshit? When did I say they don't have such rights? I just questioned the apparent innocence of this whole thing. And I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I'm suspicious. If a bunch of white kids somehow manage to organize a protest in favor of the Klu Klux Klan, what would you think? Regards, Alvaro


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                  Alvaro Mendez wrote: When did I say they don't have such rights? Maybe I took it the wrong way. But, to me you seemed to intone that so-called liberal parents shouldn't share their philosophy with their children. Alvaro Mendez wrote: If a bunch of white kids somehow manage to organize a protest in favor of the Klu Klux Klan, what would you think? I'd think that they were wrong. My opinion. And, I sincerely believe that people make their own decisions even kids....I know my world view has never been perfectly in agreement with my parents. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                    ;) Keep cool, man, have a drink :-D


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                    Gotta a deadline, need more caffeine .....:mad::mad::mad: :laugh: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                      Think about this David. These "communities of intellect" -- how do they happen in the first place? Do kids just organize them? You think they get tired of watching TV, playing video games, chasing girls, playing sports, etc. and decide to have political discussions which eventually lead to marches? Well, if that's the case, then great! I just hope at least some of them are able to understand the need for this war. Regards, Alvaro


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                      Alvaro Mendez wrote: You think they get tired of watching TV, playing video games, chasing girls, playing sports, etc. and decide to have political discussions which eventually lead to marches? Wow Alvaro, you don't give the kids much credit. I know that when I was a kid I didn't have time to watch TV et all. I was too busy and I (still) hated sitting still for more than an hour. Also, I remember that a lot of my classmates were very aware of current events and politics behind them. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                      • D Doug Goulden

                        Gotta a deadline, need more caffeine .....:mad::mad::mad: :laugh: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                        I sympathize :)


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                        • A Alvaro Mendez

                          That's the thing. These are kids. If I'm some left-wing nut parent, I can just endoctrinate my kid with the "war is bad because people die and the US are emperialists" message. Once he's as passionate about it as I am, he'll easily start drilling the message to his school friends, and before you know it, you have all these kids looking for bigger and better ways to parrot their message. It's kind of scary. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel suspicious that a few parents are well aware of what's going on. :suss: Regards, Alvaro


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                          I have a hard time believing these kids came up with this themselves (especially the youngest ones). We've had lots of reports of teachers here in the US "indoctrinating" kids against the war. Its not really fair to the kids, imo. Also, I don't understand why we put so much weight into what children think. I know when I was young I was pretty stupid and naive. Some would say I'm still stupid, but no longer naive.

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                          • D David Wulff

                            I agree with Fazlul - these kids are not mindless regurgitators, they have deeply thought through their views and wishes on this topic. Enough so that it seems they were able to, at least locally, hijack a walkout intended for university students without the knowledge of the authorities, and did so on a large scale. Credit where credit is due...


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                            David Wulff wrote: they have deeply thought through their views and wishes on this topic. Perhaps that's so, but do they really know what they're talking about? IMO, probably not.

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                              David Wulff wrote: they have deeply thought through their views and wishes on this topic. Perhaps that's so, but do they really know what they're talking about? IMO, probably not.

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                              Well IMHO yes they do, indeed to a far greater extent then most adults I've met - you see, these kids are able to take where the other side is coming from without getting defensive, and can answer any question with intelligence. Maybe it is a "telly and chips" thing, I don't know, but you guys seem to have a very low opinion of these peoples' ability to free and well thought out views which I find very baffling. :confused:


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                                Alvaro Mendez wrote: You think they get tired of watching TV, playing video games, chasing girls, playing sports, etc. and decide to have political discussions which eventually lead to marches? Wow Alvaro, you don't give the kids much credit. I know that when I was a kid I didn't have time to watch TV et all. I was too busy and I (still) hated sitting still for more than an hour. Also, I remember that a lot of my classmates were very aware of current events and politics behind them. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                                Well, it's not that I don't give them credit. It's that I find it much more likely that one or more grown-ups (parent, teacher, counselor, etc.) are behind it all. I'm telling you from experience. Back in 1984, I had a left-wing English teacher who spent a lot of his time just criticizing the US government. He tried to make us paranoid that the government was out to get us, by monitoring our phone calls and things like that. We even read the book 1984 (by George Orwell) and he managed to twist it so that it would parallel life in the US. :omg: And of course, his message was always of peace -- peace at all costs. "If a government wants to be communist, why should the US interfere?" Unfortunately this guy managed to sway quite a few of his students. X| This is what I'm talking about. If there's one thing I've learned about left-wing nuts, is that they love to spread their message and go around trying to convince everybody. They're like political Jehovah's Witnesses. And protests? Oh they love to protest against the government. It's almost like they're waiting for some conflict to happen so they can go out and march. I'm sick of them, and I especially hate to see young impressionable minds being influenced by their crap. Like I said, I really hope that's not the case here. Regards, Alvaro


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                                • D David Wulff

                                  Well IMHO yes they do, indeed to a far greater extent then most adults I've met - you see, these kids are able to take where the other side is coming from without getting defensive, and can answer any question with intelligence. Maybe it is a "telly and chips" thing, I don't know, but you guys seem to have a very low opinion of these peoples' ability to free and well thought out views which I find very baffling. :confused:


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                                  You can have deeply thought out views, but you can still be wrong. Heck, I might be wrong in the way I think, but at least I've got some experience in living for 30 years. Thats something these kids don't have and that's why I don't put much credence into their "well thought out" views. Maybe I come from the old school of thinking, but I believe children learn from adults, not vise versa.

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                                    You can have deeply thought out views, but you can still be wrong. Heck, I might be wrong in the way I think, but at least I've got some experience in living for 30 years. Thats something these kids don't have and that's why I don't put much credence into their "well thought out" views. Maybe I come from the old school of thinking, but I believe children learn from adults, not vise versa.

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                                    Deeply troubling. That's all I can think of in response to that - I am speechless!


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                                      Deeply troubling. That's all I can think of in response to that - I am speechless!


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                                      :rolleyes:

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                                      • D David Wulff

                                        Today thousands and thousands of school and college children in Devon alone (all over thirteen) took to the streets to protest against the premptive war in Iraq. What made this especailly good was: a) the kids were not merely joining in for the hell of it, they had and where discussing real views b) most of the parents had no idea c) the schools had no idea it was going to happen d) the kids managed to pull it off More power to them for actually taking an active interest in world affairs; most people seem to be content with arm chair name-calling - it seems there may be hope for a better future yet. It also prooves one thing I have known for a while now - never underestimate the power of mobile phones in the classroom! :-D


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                                        Wether you agree or disagree with their opinion, its great to see that they have one ! Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                                          Wether you agree or disagree with their opinion, its great to see that they have one ! Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                                          I can't figure out whether I agree or disagree with that statement. I guess I would cringe a little bit if they held vehement, but wrong opinions. To avoid the question of the Iraq war, I'm thinking of things like "the earth is flat, a round earth is a conspiracy", or "everyone should convert to scientology". I would be appauled if they vehemently held those opinions. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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