Oracle no more — NetBeans is moving to Apache
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Oracle and Novell, the great murderers of tech ideas and software.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Oracle and Novell, the great murderers of tech ideas and software.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Novell was fine until SCO Unix sued and Eric Schmidt became CEO. The was the beginning of the end. :|
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Novell was fine until SCO Unix sued and Eric Schmidt became CEO
The decline started well before Schmidt and was mainly due to Novell's IPX not being free and Microsoft's TCP/IP network being "free". Of course, his stupid move to sue Novell's resellers caused most of them to drop Netware like a ticking nuclear bomb. However, the real death march of Novell happened because of the merger with Cambridge Technology Partners (CTP) and with new CEO Jack Messman (from CTP). He tried to turn Novell from a software company into a consulting company (like CTP is/was) and fired anyone who opposed him. Which basically meant all of the top management of Novell. That head chopping spree accelerated Novell's decline. Customers left in droves after that.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I have used NetBeans a couple times over the last few years and have no complaints. Personally I like it better than Eclipse, which in my experience is prone to obscure configuration mess-ups that can take anything from a full rebuild to a fresh install to fix. I hope the move to Apache ensures it will remain maintained for the foreseeable future – I know it didn't quite work out that well for OpenOffice, but in that case I think its decline has more to do with LibreOffice stealing its momentum.
"Whereas smaller computer languages have features designed into them, C++ is unusual in having a whole swathe of functionality discovered, like a tract of 19th century Africa." -- Verity Stob http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/05/cplusplus\_cli/
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I have used NetBeans a couple times over the last few years and have no complaints. Personally I like it better than Eclipse, which in my experience is prone to obscure configuration mess-ups that can take anything from a full rebuild to a fresh install to fix. I hope the move to Apache ensures it will remain maintained for the foreseeable future – I know it didn't quite work out that well for OpenOffice, but in that case I think its decline has more to do with LibreOffice stealing its momentum.
"Whereas smaller computer languages have features designed into them, C++ is unusual in having a whole swathe of functionality discovered, like a tract of 19th century Africa." -- Verity Stob http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/05/cplusplus\_cli/
xperroni wrote:
LibreOffice stealing its momentum.
LibreOffice happened because of assinine moves by Oracle. Some time after the LibreOffice fork was created Oracle threw-in the towel and "donated" OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation. But, it was too late, the damage was done. Oracle only has themselves to blame. Same with NetBeans. Oracle has a bad and extremely arrogant reputation.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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xperroni wrote:
LibreOffice stealing its momentum.
LibreOffice happened because of assinine moves by Oracle. Some time after the LibreOffice fork was created Oracle threw-in the towel and "donated" OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation. But, it was too late, the damage was done. Oracle only has themselves to blame. Same with NetBeans. Oracle has a bad and extremely arrogant reputation.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
It's arguable that LibreOffice stole momentum from OpenOffice - free fall is still momentum :D
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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It's arguable that LibreOffice stole momentum from OpenOffice - free fall is still momentum :D
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Except that LibreOffice wouldn't have happened without Oracle's fvckup first. Thus no decline and no momentum stealing would have occurred. Hence OpenOffice's decline is primarily linked to Oracle and not LibreOffice.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Except that LibreOffice wouldn't have happened without Oracle's fvckup first. Thus no decline and no momentum stealing would have occurred. Hence OpenOffice's decline is primarily linked to Oracle and not LibreOffice.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
I didn't put the joke icon, my bad: I was saying that Oracle made OpenOffice fall out of the window and LibreOffice stole momentum from its freefall, i.e. avoiding that OpenOffice splattered down on the concrete. I admit it was a convoluted joke, surely lost in translation.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I didn't put the joke icon, my bad: I was saying that Oracle made OpenOffice fall out of the window and LibreOffice stole momentum from its freefall, i.e. avoiding that OpenOffice splattered down on the concrete. I admit it was a convoluted joke, surely lost in translation.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
ah, totally agreed. And, yes, I completely missed that... :sigh:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I have used NetBeans a couple times over the last few years and have no complaints. Personally I like it better than Eclipse, which in my experience is prone to obscure configuration mess-ups that can take anything from a full rebuild to a fresh install to fix. I hope the move to Apache ensures it will remain maintained for the foreseeable future – I know it didn't quite work out that well for OpenOffice, but in that case I think its decline has more to do with LibreOffice stealing its momentum.
"Whereas smaller computer languages have features designed into them, C++ is unusual in having a whole swathe of functionality discovered, like a tract of 19th century Africa." -- Verity Stob http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/05/cplusplus\_cli/
xperroni wrote:
I like it better than Eclipse
Isn't that like saying you prefer horse shit over cow shit?