It's amazing...

[Jamie Hale]

Here's a potentially interesting idea: The US is willing to spend 75 billion dollars blowing shit up over there, right? Why not take a tenth of that cash, and air-drop food and supplies. That much money would buy enough food to completely saturate the country-side. There would be too much for Hussein's people to hoard. The people would get enough. And if the people of Iraq are willing to fight for their country with what little the regime provides them, can you image how quickly a well fed populace would oust Hussein? I won't say it's the perfect solution, because hey, what the hell do I know? And as for Canada, they have supported the UN because that's what the UN is all about. We didn't sell arms to Iraq. We didn't support Hussein in the past. We lost troops in the first Gulf War - more than the US I seem to recall. We supported the invasion of Afghanistan, and we still have peace-keepers there. Hell we even lost troops in Afghanistan to US mistakes. We happily took in hundreds of Americans when their flights were put down in remote communities all over our country. We sent our own emergency workers to assist with the WTC clean-up. And now, because our leader has chosen not to go against the decision of the UN, we get flack from the US? Fickle. What more would you have us do? Other than ignore the better part of the rest of the planet and go shoot some people for you? I'm afraid this is getting way off topic. My original post was simply to bring to people's attention that perhaps it's not necessary (or polite) to be as beligerant as possible to your fellow CPians because they happen to be Muslim and happen to not support the US. J

"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."

[Jeremy Falcon]

On an earlier post Jamie Hale wrote: The point is that we're so far removed from the conflict that we have no way of arguing except based on our interpretation of someone else's stories. We're arguing based on theory and opinion not knowing what's really going on. On an earlier post Jamie Hale wrote: That being said, I still say it's next to pointless to argue based on which source of news you watch. ================================================== Jamie Hale wrote: All I see is a large country bullying smaller ones - including Canada. Jamie Hale wrote: As to the regurgitated justification you give, I again say that the US failed to exhaust the diplomatic solutions. Jamie Hale wrote: I do, however, agree to your first statement - that the US kills people because they can't get the others to agree with them. ================================================== I appreciate your concern for my brother. As far as my thoughts go, you're contradicting yourself. Here are a few points that I'd like to make with my limited political knowledge. One: the US doesn't kill people that don't agree with them. If so, we'd be bombing France, Canada, etc. Two: You do not know for certain that we failed to exhaust every possible solution, just as I do not know for certain that we tried everything. Everything we get from the media is regurgitated anyway, and as has been stated before; we are nowhere near as informed as our leaders are. Three: Remember, the US was founded by people of all sorts that didn't take "no" for an answer, and they migrated to America. We still carry that same mentality. It's up to you to decide for yourself whether or not that's a good thing. As far me, I say it is. Jeremy Falcon "so be it, threaten no more, to secure peace is to prepare for war" - Metallica

[Lost User]

Jamie Hale wrote: The US is willing to spend 75 billion dollars blowing sh*t up over there, right? Why not take a tenth of that cash, and air-drop food and supplies. That much money would buy enough food to completely saturate the country-side. There would be too much for Hussein's people to hoard. The people would get enough. Yet the UN didn't do this. Why aren't you furious with the UN for failing after 12 years. Although only a small percentage of the total, Canada pays $$ to the UN. Seems like you're not getting your money's worth. For all you folks who love the UN so much or even still support it at all, why aren't you seriously pissed off that they wasted your hard earned tax money with no results after 12 years?? Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

[Marc Clifton]

Jamie Hale wrote: the rude behaviour that some of the regulars have exhibited Unfortunately...I resemble that remark! :-O Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

[Jeremy Falcon]

Doug Goulden wrote: They will protect your right to whine about the dangers you will have to face because they have enough spine to protect you and your interests, so that you and your daughter can live in a free country. Amen to that. Also, and I'll explain this in high school terms so everyone here can relate to it (because most of us haven't actually been in the battlefield), the way I see it, when it comes to disagreement with possible violence involved there are three types of people in this world. Type A: The Bully Type B: The Person Who Takes It Type C: The Person Who Kicks the Bully's Ass Because He's a Bully Type A is an outright asshole. Type B loves to complain about the whole system because he's too worried to do something that may injure him or make him look foolish. And, Type C that is not a bully, but becomes fed up with it (for one reason or another) to put an end to it. And, everyone seems to complain about the other type because no other group's rationale seems to fit into their own logic. People just refuse to accept that people are different. However, at least type C will keep type A in check while all the complaining goes on. I'm a type C, but I'm willing to bet most people here on CP are type B's. And, I get a lot of heat for most of my comments; however, at the gym more people tend to agree with my logic - go figure. Jeremy Falcon "so be it, threaten no more, to secure peace is to prepare for war" - Metallica

[Jeremy Falcon]

The rude behavior goes both ways though. Jeremy Falcon "so be it, threaten no more, to secure peace is to prepare for war" - Metallica

[Doug Goulden]

Wow didn't take long for the type "B"s to get to yah;) I voted you a 5 because I think you are right. People think that Freedom and their Rights are something that are God given. They forget that someone before them had to pay a hell of a price to secure them. I may disagree with the opinions of some of the people here, but I would defend their right to have them. To bad that more of the vocal people here couldn't say that. Its pretty damn easy sitting here at a keyboard to be celebral and discuss the relative merits of our positions, but the reality is that real people have died to secure our rights to do that. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

[JoeSox]

Jamie Hale wrote: And my fellow humans are killing each other and no one knows the exact reason why. read my current sig, that's why. Jamie Hale wrote: Third and most importantly, some day I will have to explain to my child why all these people died - and I won't be able to. You tell them what the USA is telling other countries. Saddam and his Regime is a reckless and evil and would harmed the US sooner or later in one way or another. Plain and simple. Jamie Hale wrote: And it's utterly disgusting that the majority of these arguments seem to arise because a Muslim posts something that a westerner doesn't like. At least they are communicating. Maybe something good will come out of it, but you have to start somewhere. Later,
JoeSox
www.joeswammi.com "Man will always be Man, there is no new Man" -Danilov's Remorse, Enemy at the Gates(Alain Godard & Jean-Jacques Annaud)

[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote: My job is to protect America" George W. Bush. But who proctects the US from the politicians ? :~ The tigress is here :-D

[Stan Shannon]

Trollslayer wrote: But who proctects the US from the politicians ? We, the people. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.