Try Arnett for treason

Mike Gaskey

Darned mean old GOP. http://enquirer.com/editions/2003/04/02/loc_rail.bunning02.html[^] Mike

Jorgen Sigvardsson

I don't get it.. what did he do!? "first war plan has just failed because of Iraqi resistance. ... Clearly, the American war planners misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces." What's so treacherous about that? It may be wrong, but I don't see how it can be treason. :confused: -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Sean Reilly

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What's so treacherous about that? It may be wrong, but I don't see how it can be treason. It's not even wrong. It's the truth. Therein lies the problem.

Mike Gaskey

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "first war plan has just failed because of Iraqi resistance. ... Clearly, the American war planners misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces." It probably isn't treacherous in the sense that he's giving away military secrets, etc. The problem (as seen by those who strenouusly object) is he is giving aid and comfort to the enemy while we have men in the field with lives at risk. The war plan hasn't failed, that is a fact, otherwise we wouldn't be 20 miles out of Baghdad after having decimated two divisions of the much lauded Republican Guard - in a little over a week's time. But consider for a moment that he, as a USA citizen in Iraq on Iraqi TV, gives encouragement to Iraqi troops who believe him. If that gives them the energy to fight when they might have otherwise gone home then Arnett could be held accountable for the deaths of coalition troops. Mike

Richard Stringer

Bullshit. Treason is "aiding and abetting" the enemy. It has nothing to do with the veractity of his remarks. They only proved to show the man a fool. Still I don't think he should be tried for treason - just revoke his citizenship and send him home. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

Mike Gaskey

Sean Reilly wrote: It's not even wrong. It's the truth. Therein lies the problem. And exactly who tells you when it is raining so you can come in doors? Sorry for the comment - but, being darkened and all I couldn't tell where you are coming from. Mike

Sean Reilly

Are you illiterate? You completely misread my comment. Arnett was speaking truthfully, which this Congressional retard disliked because it - gasp - could be seen as a criticism of the Almighty US of A. Geez ....

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Mike Gaskey wrote: If that gives them the energy to fight when they might have otherwise gone home then Arnett could be held accountable for the deaths of coalition troops. I get the point. I think you need a new word in the english vocubulary. You call lesser felonies misdemeanors. You could probably use a "lesser" version of treason. :) -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Mike Gaskey wrote: And exactly who tells you when it is raining so you can come in doors? He might be Canadian. I hear they don't lock their doors. :rolleyes: -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Richard Stringer

No I'm not illiterate - are you an asshole ? And I did not misread your comment. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

Lost User

He is not a US citizen, AFAIK. He is from NZ. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Mike Gaskey

Thomas George wrote: He is not a US citizen, AFAIK. He is from NZ. He applied for citizenship and became a naturalized citizen some 10 years ago, I believe (doesn't make it true). Mike

Lost User

I was also assuming that he is probably not a US citizen :-D Anyway, if he is a citizen, he does not show his allegiance anyway by appearing on Iraqi state TV. He could have said that on NBC too. I can say that on Iraqi TV, if needed, because I am not a US citizen; but then who wants my opinion. ... and I don't even know whether what he said is true. :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Sean Reilly

Richard Stringer wrote: No I'm not illiterate Sure. Richard Stringer wrote: are you an asshole ? How literate.

Richard Stringer

Thats tantamount to having a word that means " a little bit pregnant ". Either you is or you ain't. I think , in the final analysis , that his remarks were not really treasonous but only a reflection of his left wing liberal leanings and very ill advised. However they should still have consequences and I think that he is paying and will pay even more for his , in his own words , stupid remarks. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

Jason Henderson

No the plan was not changed. The plan was flexible enough to allow the push to Baghdad to proceed while re-enforcing the supply lines. Basically, Mr. Arnett was saying the same things the Iraqi leaders have been saying. He was aiding them in their propoganda.

Jason Henderson
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ColinDavies

OK I'm a bit confused. One arguement I have heard from several Americans. Is that they will fight for the rights of other Ameericans to maintain their rights, even when those Americans are critisizing them. Thus the right or privilege of freedom of speech is regarded darn highly. As Arnett wasn't giving away classified information, then I'd say he was just exercising his right to freedom of speech. But the right place to decide if he created treason or not is in a Court house. IMHO : I'd say that Sen Bunning is capitalizing on the incident for self promotion. Using the same logic that would mean he's a war profiteer. Regardz Colin J Davies

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Mike Gaskey

Colin Davies wrote: Is that they will fight for the rights of other Ameericans to maintain their rights, even when those Americans are critisizing them. True, we do/will. Colin Davies wrote: Thus the right or privilege of freedom of speech is regarded darn highly. Very much so. Colin Davies wrote: then I'd say he was just exercising his right to freedom of speech. Agree. Colin Davies wrote: But the right place to decide if he created treason or not is in a Court house. Agree. But for that to happen, someone has to take some initiative to "force" the hand of the government to take action, otherwise nothing would happen. Colin Davies wrote: I'd say that Sen Bunning is capitalizing on the incident for self promotion. I agree. Colin Davies wrote: Using the same logic that would mean he's a war profiteer. But, this is the other side of freedom of speech. I can say "X" and you can say "X" is treason. What upset those who are or were upset is the fact that what was said was done in the "enemy camp". I've heard much worse from celebrities and politicians here in the US. Mike