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    BillWoodruff
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    New Tork Times: April 17: and you can kiss "net neutrality" goodbye [^]

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    Would you want five companies owning every road in America and deciding who gets to travel where, at what price and speed? Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things? ... ... These five companies account for over 80 percent of wired subscriptions and have almost total power in their territories. According to the Federal Communications Commission, nearly 75 percent of Americans have at most one choice for high-speed data.

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    The one bright light in this dismal story is the power of local authorities to encourage the construction of the communications equivalent of a street grid: fiber-optic networks running to every home and business. Hundreds of local governments, fed up with the existing network providers, have done exactly that. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, most Americans approve of this kind of local government effort. But the halls of state legislatures swarm with telecom lobbyists, and, amazingly, about 20 states already bar municipalities from making this choice. Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws.

    «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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      New Tork Times: April 17: and you can kiss "net neutrality" goodbye [^]

      Quote:

      Would you want five companies owning every road in America and deciding who gets to travel where, at what price and speed? Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things? ... ... These five companies account for over 80 percent of wired subscriptions and have almost total power in their territories. According to the Federal Communications Commission, nearly 75 percent of Americans have at most one choice for high-speed data.

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      The one bright light in this dismal story is the power of local authorities to encourage the construction of the communications equivalent of a street grid: fiber-optic networks running to every home and business. Hundreds of local governments, fed up with the existing network providers, have done exactly that. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, most Americans approve of this kind of local government effort. But the halls of state legislatures swarm with telecom lobbyists, and, amazingly, about 20 states already bar municipalities from making this choice. Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws.

      «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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      Sander Rossel
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      And the internet is not the only thing Trump is gutting (public relations, state budget, economy, healthcare, education). It's alright as long as he the state can afford his weekly multi-million dollar golfing trips though. But I guess that's soapbox material :) Trump supporter incoming in 3, 2, 1...

      Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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        And the internet is not the only thing Trump is gutting (public relations, state budget, economy, healthcare, education). It's alright as long as he the state can afford his weekly multi-million dollar golfing trips though. But I guess that's soapbox material :) Trump supporter incoming in 3, 2, 1...

        Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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        BillWoodruff
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        Hi Sandor, I omitted the name of a certain person, in the hope of focusing on the outcomes here, rather than "personalities." I felt this was necessary for a post in this forum. cheers, Bill

        «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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          Hi Sandor, I omitted the name of a certain person, in the hope of focusing on the outcomes here, rather than "personalities." I felt this was necessary for a post in this forum. cheers, Bill

          «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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          Sander Rossel
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          Unfortunately, this certain person's name is the first thing you read in the article's title :) The outcome, of course, is pretty sad. The internet was NOT designed to be in the hands of a few individual companies. Everyone should have equal access to cat videos and pr0n, they are basic human rights!

          Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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          • B BillWoodruff

            New Tork Times: April 17: and you can kiss "net neutrality" goodbye [^]

            Quote:

            Would you want five companies owning every road in America and deciding who gets to travel where, at what price and speed? Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things? ... ... These five companies account for over 80 percent of wired subscriptions and have almost total power in their territories. According to the Federal Communications Commission, nearly 75 percent of Americans have at most one choice for high-speed data.

            Quote:

            The one bright light in this dismal story is the power of local authorities to encourage the construction of the communications equivalent of a street grid: fiber-optic networks running to every home and business. Hundreds of local governments, fed up with the existing network providers, have done exactly that. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, most Americans approve of this kind of local government effort. But the halls of state legislatures swarm with telecom lobbyists, and, amazingly, about 20 states already bar municipalities from making this choice. Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws.

            «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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            Rick York
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            For the me, the most infuriating thing is the state laws that bar municipalities from pursuing their own local systems. I can't see how that is anything but restricting competition and it makes no sense to me.

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            • B BillWoodruff

              New Tork Times: April 17: and you can kiss "net neutrality" goodbye [^]

              Quote:

              Would you want five companies owning every road in America and deciding who gets to travel where, at what price and speed? Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things? ... ... These five companies account for over 80 percent of wired subscriptions and have almost total power in their territories. According to the Federal Communications Commission, nearly 75 percent of Americans have at most one choice for high-speed data.

              Quote:

              The one bright light in this dismal story is the power of local authorities to encourage the construction of the communications equivalent of a street grid: fiber-optic networks running to every home and business. Hundreds of local governments, fed up with the existing network providers, have done exactly that. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, most Americans approve of this kind of local government effort. But the halls of state legislatures swarm with telecom lobbyists, and, amazingly, about 20 states already bar municipalities from making this choice. Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws.

              «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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              Mark_Wallace
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              Damn. The US is where all the funny cat videos come from. We'll miss them, when they're gone.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              • B BillWoodruff

                New Tork Times: April 17: and you can kiss "net neutrality" goodbye [^]

                Quote:

                Would you want five companies owning every road in America and deciding who gets to travel where, at what price and speed? Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things? ... ... These five companies account for over 80 percent of wired subscriptions and have almost total power in their territories. According to the Federal Communications Commission, nearly 75 percent of Americans have at most one choice for high-speed data.

                Quote:

                The one bright light in this dismal story is the power of local authorities to encourage the construction of the communications equivalent of a street grid: fiber-optic networks running to every home and business. Hundreds of local governments, fed up with the existing network providers, have done exactly that. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, most Americans approve of this kind of local government effort. But the halls of state legislatures swarm with telecom lobbyists, and, amazingly, about 20 states already bar municipalities from making this choice. Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws.

                «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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                Mehdi Gholam
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                You have this problem when everything is based on capitalism without a socialism component [the converse is also true is other countries]. This is systemic in all aspects of America (health care, insurance, education) which they [the government] fail to correct, you need and have to have both for a healthy country and economy and that is the role of the central government. Just me 2 cents so to speak...

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                  You have this problem when everything is based on capitalism without a socialism component [the converse is also true is other countries]. This is systemic in all aspects of America (health care, insurance, education) which they [the government] fail to correct, you need and have to have both for a healthy country and economy and that is the role of the central government. Just me 2 cents so to speak...

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                  Richard Andrew x64
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                  Mehdi Gholam wrote:

                  You have this problem when everything is based on capitalism without a socialism component

                  No, no. One of the main tenets of capitalism is competition. And it is competition that is lacking here, not bigger government.

                  The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                    Mehdi Gholam wrote:

                    You have this problem when everything is based on capitalism without a socialism component

                    No, no. One of the main tenets of capitalism is competition. And it is competition that is lacking here, not bigger government.

                    The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                    Scott Serl
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                    The only competition that will be going on is who can best monetize the customer. Currently there is no way to get true competition in the ISP arena due to impracticability of installing the infrastructure to allow competition. Also, the ISPs themselves (at least the big ones) have a huge army of government lobbyists that have worked to create road blocks to competition.

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                      The only competition that will be going on is who can best monetize the customer. Currently there is no way to get true competition in the ISP arena due to impracticability of installing the infrastructure to allow competition. Also, the ISPs themselves (at least the big ones) have a huge army of government lobbyists that have worked to create road blocks to competition.

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                      Scott Serl wrote:

                      Also, the ISPs themselves (at least the big ones) have a huge army of government lobbyists that have worked to create road blocks to competition.

                      And how have the lobbyists accomplished that goal? Through government intervention in the marketplace. My argument is simply that we need less government intervention, not more. But I do agree with anti-trust laws.

                      The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                      • B BillWoodruff

                        New Tork Times: April 17: and you can kiss "net neutrality" goodbye [^]

                        Quote:

                        Would you want five companies owning every road in America and deciding who gets to travel where, at what price and speed? Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things? ... ... These five companies account for over 80 percent of wired subscriptions and have almost total power in their territories. According to the Federal Communications Commission, nearly 75 percent of Americans have at most one choice for high-speed data.

                        Quote:

                        The one bright light in this dismal story is the power of local authorities to encourage the construction of the communications equivalent of a street grid: fiber-optic networks running to every home and business. Hundreds of local governments, fed up with the existing network providers, have done exactly that. According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, most Americans approve of this kind of local government effort. But the halls of state legislatures swarm with telecom lobbyists, and, amazingly, about 20 states already bar municipalities from making this choice. Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws.

                        «When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal

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                        Joe Woodbury
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                        "Not surprisingly, Mr. Pai has vigorously opposed federal proposals to block those state laws." Because it's none of their business. If residents of a state want the law to go, they can vote politicians in who will make it go. Plus, not all municipalities do it right. One near my resident nearly went bankrupt with their folly and eventually sold the whole thing. Finally, regarding the rhetorical question "Taken further, should Verizon be able to require that the “internet of things” include only its things?" Should we not also ask, "Taken further, should government X be able to require that the “internet” include only it desires?" I fail to see how government is noble.

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                        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                          Mehdi Gholam wrote:

                          You have this problem when everything is based on capitalism without a socialism component

                          No, no. One of the main tenets of capitalism is competition. And it is competition that is lacking here, not bigger government.

                          The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                          Mehdi Gholam
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                          It's in the name... the main tenet is profit/wealth for the selected few, and monopolies are good for profits not competition. Yes at a country scale there is competition (multiple players) but they have divided the country among themselves where they operate as monopolies in each region.

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